Civilian and Armor

[ComradeHX]

Who says it's unrealistic ?

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Everyone.

That is China...btw, there is no insurgency in motherland.

Back then, there were civilians throwing acid onto soldiers, that is why they get shot.


Btw, for people who wants to climb out of the tank and arrest:

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Prepare to get stoned to death by a mob of civies.

[l|Bubba|l]

How does that civilian come even near your tank?
If they got a ride with a vehicle you could just shoot them. If they walking you have plenty of time to move your vehicle. Or just use teamwork and get some guys that watch your back.

[Elektro]

Everyone.

That is China...btw, there is no insurgency in motherland.

Back then, there were civilians throwing acid onto soldiers, that is why they get shot.

1/10 of beijins population was on the streets protesting peacefully, and yet many of them were murdered on june the 4th. Please tell me its youre joke when you say that the PLA opened fire because of civilians throwing acid onto soldiers.

Tank man was heroic enough to stand up against a convoy of PLA tanks. The picture of him changed the world we know today lol. Civies vs tank = change world

[Myru]

ever tought of having your tank escorted by inf ?
having a rifleman specialist around would kinda solve the problem

[USMCMIDN]

Well when we ask for convoys ppl do their own thing which kinda makes me mad... Even when there is a known cashe there is always people who do things themselves. And when we do have infantry they do not arrest them they just ignore them .

and as said b4 if we jump out and try to arrest we get shot at by machine gunners or snipers watching the civis... A good tactic used by civis but as said kinda unrealistic.

[TheOldBreed]

What movie is that, looks pretty cool,

its called 'the beast of war' or just 'the beast'. it's pretty good, follows a soviet tank lost in afghanistan being chased by mujahideen. all the russians speak english too haha

[nater]

Well when we ask for convoys ppl do their own thing which kinda makes me mad... Even when there is a known cashe there is always people who do things themselves. And when we do have infantry they do not arrest them they just ignore them .

and as said b4 if we jump out and try to arrest we get shot at by machine gunners or snipers watching the civis... A good tactic used by civis but as said kinda unrealistic.

Sounds like you want to be commander. Also, dealing with civis is not unrealistic in the least, just be glad this isn't Afghanistan, and we don't have to go search villages, and interrogate every last person we find. At least we can just walk away, typically, in PR.

[USMCMIDN]

Sounds like you want to be commander. Also, dealing with civis is not unrealistic in the least, just be glad this isn't Afghanistan, and we don't have to go search villages, and interrogate every last person we find. At least we can just walk away, typically, in PR.

dealing with civis who jump in front of your weapons and climbing on armor is realistic? Out of all the stories I have heard about Iraq and Stan from my unit I have nvr heard an incident where civis jump in front of your weapons and them climbing on top of armor. If they had they would of been engaged due to fears of putting something hazardous on the armor. And if they jumped in fron of u while shooting I am sure IRL u would not be punished.

[Rudd]

whereas we clearly cannot have it both ways ingame, however if you bring a rifleman specialist with you next time you won't need the game to make your life easier since you'll be able to either arrest them or shoot them with teh shotgun.

[Hresvelgr]

Did you know that if there are too many people near the tank to risk getting out, you can drive away? Seriously though, if the civi is on the tank, no insurgent will be close enough to stop the .50 gunner from arresting him unless the gunner really sucks. Even then, if they are on top of tank, back the hell up at full speed. If the guy doesn't fall off, his buddies won't be close enough to stop his arrest. Seriously, the insurgents don't set up elaborate "shoot the gunner trying to arrest civi blocking gun" plans for this to even be an issue, and even then the solution is ludicrously simple.

[USMCMIDN]

Did you know that if there are too many people near the tank to risk getting out, you can drive away? Seriously though, if the civi is on the tank, no insurgent will be close enough to stop the .50 gunner from arresting him unless the gunner really sucks. Even then, if they are on top of tank, back the hell up at full speed. If the guy doesn't fall off, his buddies won't be close enough to stop his arrest. Seriously, the insurgents don't set up elaborate "shoot the gunner trying to arrest civi blocking gun" plans for this to even be an issue, and even then the solution is ludicrously simple.

This would work but my main concern is the jumping in front of the weapon thing. Why the punish?

[ComradeHX]

1/10 of beijins population was on the streets protesting peacefully, and yet many of them were murdered on june the 4th. Please tell me its youre joke when you say that the PLA opened fire because of civilians throwing acid onto soldiers.

Many? 1/10?

Where do people get these numbers? Out of some stupid western media trying to insult the great People's Republic of China?

Joke? It is true, western media just wanted to use the whole thing against my nation so they never said anything about SOLDIERS getting killed(getting killed by people when they signed up to protect the motherland and its people...).

Reply goes to PM, do not derail a thread.

On topic:

Blufor already have scopes, armor, and sometimes choppers... let the Insurgents have something fun or the game will really be destroyed.

[ytman]

Currently I like how it stands. The Collaborator is the 'near' perfect anti-armor 'weapon' the Iraqi insurgency holds. If you expect a tank/lb/LAV-25 to shoot a building or wish to keep a building safe from shelling... put tonnes of Civilians in it.

If you want to set up an ambush and stall an armored vehicle put Civilians in front of them.

If the Blu For don't want to hassle with civilians bring Specialists along. If Blu For deems it necessary even kill the civilians.

Its an interesting dilemma and a nice take on the Rock (Tanks), Paper (Collaborators), Scissors (Specialist Shotgun).

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Off topic:

Where do people get these numbers? Out of some stupid western media trying to insult the great People's Republic of China?

Well as much as you like to claim others are biased; it appears you too are biased. If you wish to argue facts I'd like to bring sources. If you wish to bash all non-Chinese sources since they absolutely must be biased and hate the great People's Republic and feel the need to fabricate an atrocity to serve no purpose... then I bid you good day.

Sauces of massive civilian casualties at Tienanmen square.

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSA ... /31-01.htm
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSA ... /32-01.htm
Tiananmen Square, 1989: The Declassified History : Documents

Furthermore, the mere fact that it is a censored topic that is not allowed to be spoken or directly written about in Mainland China shows guilt.

But this must be all made up by the evil west to make the great and holy People's Republic look bad.
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[Elektro]

If the Blu For don't want to hassle with civilians bring Specialists along. If Blu For deems it necessary even kill the civilians.

Just curious here, do you still recive intel points from shooting civilians with the shotgun?

Reply goes to PM, do not derail a thread.

You were the one who replied me by saying that the reason thousinds of civilians including: students, parents, and children were shot, was because they threw acid onto soldiers. Now as I really doubt youre argument, I still respect youre view, and lets rest the case.

[ComradeHX]

Furthermore, the mere fact that it is a censored topic that is not allowed to be spoken or directly written about in Mainland China shows guilt.

But this must be all made up by the evil west to make the great and holy People's Republic look bad.
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I actually am from China, and my parents were in that event. What I said is what they told me.

Also, there is no "thousands" of people getting shot.

The reason nothing is allowed to be spoken or directly written about is: like those "sources", mis-information spreads like wild fire about that event; so the government just stops it until someone actually get some SOLID evidence on what really happened.

These days, nobody uses PM...

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I just thought: how often is it that you tankers get owned by civies??? How many times can civies catch up to a tank on foot?
There is no need for change, if you camp in the tank and civies get onto the tank... it is your own fault.

[Elektro]

The reason nothing is allowed to be spoken or directly written about is: like those "sources", mis-information spreads like wild fire about that event; so the government just stops it until someone actually get some SOLID evidence on what really happened.

If video's / photograph's / thousinds of eyewitnesses, isn't SOLID evidence then what is?

[ComradeHX]

If video's / photograph's / thousinds of eyewitnesses, isn't SOLID evidence then what is?

Not sure what your source is supposed to be when it consisted of a bunch of documents written in ENGLISH.

Eyewitness where? Take into the account that they were radical enough to throw acid onto the people who protects the country... what can you believe? Also consider the fact that eyewitness' memory can be easily influenced(not going into too much psychology here).

What video and what photograph?

PM, use PM... stop derailing the thread(at this point, I think you do not even know what PM is and would not reply even if I use it).

[Hresvelgr]

Yeah, seriously guys, stop derailing the friggin' thread. And I will agree with the above, there is simply no need to punish civis for jumping in front of tank guns when in all practicality it is much easier to avoid this and in any case tankers should be less trigger happy, as climbing out and arresting the guy instead of being a lazy SOB will get you more points and reward your team more than MG-sniping half a dozen armed insurgents.

[mosinmatt]

whereas we clearly cannot have it both ways ingame, however if you bring a rifleman specialist with you next time you won't need the game to make your life easier since you'll be able to either arrest them or shoot them with teh shotgun.

SSSSHHH you're ruining my fun!


also, this is still a GAME> not meant to be 100% realistic.
Also, you may be within realistic ROE in the game. But think of the backlash of a tank shooting a bunch of "civilians" even though they were near guys with RPGs and AKs. See the "wikileaks" apache video for reference.

[Rudd]

SSSSHHH you're ruining my fun!


also, this is still a GAME> not meant to be 100% realistic.
Also, you may be within realistic ROE in the game. But think of the backlash of a tank shooting a bunch of "civilians" even though they were near guys with RPGs and AKs. See the "wikileaks" apache video for reference.

urm....exactly?

the tank shouldnt fire if there is going to be unacceptable civilian casualities.

though quite frankly the tank can just mg the RPG instead of using the boom boom.