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[R-DEV]Rhino wrote:Lol, The Battle of Hastings 2 anyone? This time Prince Harry gets an AT missile in the eye?

doubt it with the french AT missile





I'd like something like this in PR new atmosphere and campaign, however i think the russians would be better suited to a UK invasion.

I can see it now a Russian Para drops into north england near the small village of Royston Vasey. "Are you local? this is for local people"

A battle on 1st world territory would be a nice change of pace (though Muttrah and Beiruit are nearly the same deal). But again, China has no chance of going after London (nor Russia even, but you can hand wave this and say they somehow defeated/routed at least the UK's navy <a mighty feat that deserves a whole game itself>).

I am more eager to see maps based on the US, Central Europe (Eg: Germany, Poland, etc) and Japan but I guess any map that breakes away from the Middle East, Asian mainland and Eastern Europe would be nice.

Thanks for all the replies so far guys. Really after some consideration I think I will change this scenario to Russia as it really would be much more realistic and I think would help more impliment Russia as a opforce power in the war scenario with China and the MEC. Hopefully sometime like as what was discussed in the thread a few months back about the "political situation of the PR world" can become a little more official.

Then we'll let our Chinese friends fight Britain in other ways more realistically but in China and I think one good way of doing that would be a few map revives like Bi Ming from previous versions of PR and maybe a rework of a euro force map or two but thats projects for another time. Great Wall anyone-or maybe a good French Forces map, Wow kinda getting outside of the topic here heh. Point being many scenarios to be expanded. China may get a invasion map though someday(Midnight sun rework possibly or similar in Alaska)?

Well then lets think of this with the Ruskies now. Basically its a scenario that Russia invades Britain as part of the "war" against NATO powers but for what reasons exactly? Also someone mentioned it would be tough by sea due to how powerfull the UK Navy is, so tell me your thoughts on that or if paradropping would be more realistic.

-Will for sure be a nature type as no building models etc for Europe are really available as you have all stated just thinking of things like where should it be based for a realistic scenario etc.

-Is a ship model available(Beruit cargo ship) if by sea seems feasible for a map if thats whats decided due to my inexperience with mapping and the amount of stuff I want to do someday im not sure how many maps to make of this but for the whole deal probably 2-3 max in the future, for now just 1 idea I can focus on (Beach assault or countryside so either airdrop concept-countryside or ship assault coastal map thats basically what I need help deciding put simply).

Now on all ideas be based for the Russians then thanks all.

Jonny wrote:To stop us from building them...
Its the only place that we can build nuclear subs, so destroying it would have a massive effect on our future naval power.

And why would they launch a full out Amphibious/Air Assault on the entire country to destroy just one facility when they could just strategically bomb it, either by some long range bombers or if they could get an aircraft carrier all that way, via that, or by a Cruise missile from one of there subs?

it would be nice, i mean i started mapping crossmalgen have militia vs UK troops in an insurgancy setting but i thought well you know devisive conflict right there

[R-DEV]Rhino wrote:And why would they launch a full out Amphibious/Air Assault on the entire country to destroy just one facility when they could just strategically bomb it, either by some long range bombers or if they could get an aircraft carrier all that way, via that, or by a Cruise missile from one of there subs?

Because PR's policy is there is no background story?

Seriously whats the all fuss about this when we got a map like Beirut.

Um. Because.. there's no massive icy glacier of death in between Russia and Israel. Lol.

Seriously whats the all fuss about this when we got a map like Beirut.

well you didn't expect them to work on the Russian Desert skins and then not have a map to show them off on?

IMO if your going to put all the time and effort into making a map you should make the situation should be kinda passable if its for a realistic game. Muttrah for example makes a bit of seance, not that much I admit since attacking the city via an Amphibious Air Assault isn't the best strategy ever and is very risky in r/l but many situations like it have happened in real battles before, best example being the Battle of Inchon in the North Korean war of the 1950s where USMC troops landed a large amphibious landing into a city deep behind enemy lines, cutting off there supply lines to there front line troops and attacking the renaming force from two fronts.

Battle of Inchon - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Muttrah is really not far off that, other than back then they didn't have helicopters.


The more plausible the map, the more immersive it is since you don't have the thought in the back of your mind saying "what the hell are we doing here? (which yes destroys immersion more than you think) and the more immersion you have the better gameplay you have, fact.

The Video Game Immersion Factor | A Videogame Canon

I also have a good book somewhere on Level Design, can't remember where the f*ck I've put it now but it has a huge chapter on Immersion and stating its importance and things like the map's setting is a huge part of it.

There's plenty of other places

YouTube - Red Dawn Remake Trailer

You can have the Chinese invade that would make more sense. And be much closer. And that's assuming they had some sort of power projection capabilities in the near future. Or, you know, paratroopers.

Hint hint


I really hope they don't butcher the remake of that..

Well I dont see anything wrong in someone basing the map on some place in England, make a fictional story that its actually some other location (change the setting a bit to reflect the area its supposed to represent) and give a appropriate name (i.e. something like Operation Plausible Codename).

'[R-DEV wrote:Rhino;1380786']IMO if your going to put all the time and effort into making a map you should make the situation should be kinda passable if its for a realistic game. Muttrah for example makes a bit of seance, not that much I admit since attacking the city via an Amphibious Air Assault isn't the best strategy ever and is very risky in r/l but many situations like it have happened in real battles before, best example being the Battle of Inchon in the North Korean war of the 1950s where USMC troops landed a large amphibious landing into a city deep behind enemy lines, cutting off there supply lines to there front line troops and attacking the renaming force from two fronts.

Battle of Inchon - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Muttrah is really not far off that, other than back then they didn't have helicopters.

Inchon saw the first use of helicopters as close support for ground combat troops, flown by Marines
http://www.usmc.mil/news/publications/D ... 0500_2.pdf

Startrekern wrote:There's plenty of other places

YouTube - Red Dawn Remake Trailer

You can have the Chinese invade that would make more sense. And be much closer. And that's assuming they had some sort of power projection capabilities in the near future. Or, you know, paratroopers.

Hint hint


I really hope they don't butcher the remake of that..

Oh god that looks like a seriously low budget film by the trailer. I mean I normally dont go wild over films with cool effects etc but the effects in that trailer looked totally rubbish and using footage from WW2 to show a amphibious landing?

And ye I agree like I said, a Chinese invasion on the USA is far more likley and realistic than a Chinese invasion on the UK which is much further from them and has mess less value all round, + has a lower chance of being successful in many ways, not that a invasion on the USA has much success either but a little more so due to it being closer to home, with a direct rout across the Pacific which they can exploit its openness a lot, they just need to some how catch the Americans off guard completely and land a large enough force in the first wave for it to at least hold a foot hold in the country until they can reinforce if they can do that without the US Navy and many other countries raining down on there Navy with all there force to brake the supply line and then if that's broken, so will the foot hold they have in the USA

'[R-DEV wrote:OkitaMakoto;1380805']Inchon saw the first use of helicopters as close support for ground combat troops, flown by Marines
http://www.usmc.mil/news/publications/D ... 0500_2.pdf

Cool, didn't know that

Jonny wrote:Its on a peninsula with very few easy ways to get to it, and has a large port at the end perfect for resupplying an army (it currently handles nuclear material for sellafield, and there are plans to expand it to accommodate cruise ships as well). They could occupy the lakes and be completely supplied through Barrow, using it as a 'safe haven' to take the rest of the country, bit by bit. Walney has a small airfield, and there is a pipeline running in from the irish sea, over Walney and to a gas terminal just south of Barrow

And again please tell me why China would invade the UK again?

Jonny wrote:Why would we attack a small PLA force in the middle of an easily by-passable, hard to cross (mountainous), hard to access national park instead of bombing the single place they could be stationed (the place that apparently offers no advantage for its control, unlike Barrow)?

Come on, justify Qinling.

There is no justification for Qinling

Qinling was at first a test map to see if a 4km map was at all workable (I actually started it before duckhunt started kashan after I had confirmed it was doable).

I just liked the terrain on Qinling so much that I decided to turn it into a full map and then name it Qinling instead of throwing away what I had already done and only have 1 4km map in the mod.

If I actually based the map off of Qinling it would look totally different

The only reason why Qinling is still in the mod is because it is only one of 3 4km maps in it, one of the few British and Chinese maps and one of the few maps to have tanks and aircraft.
As soon as there is a decent replacement for it I will be happy to see it go. If I gave a damn about Qinling I would have fixed a load of its many problems but since I really dont I let Fuzz ballz it up even more with AAS3 and not done a thing with it

That red dawn trailer was done by an amateur testing home equipment, I guess it was made before the actual Remake was in the works

Two offtopic posts from me, hah, I'd say think long and hard about the theme of your map because your map will take you a LONG time to finish and it needs to be both real and playable.

But.. Rhino.. Qinling has sooooooo much potential. It just needs points of interest for aasv3. Don't get rid of it

I think everyone missed by post on page 3 which meant I am shifting focus to a Russian UK invasion map however I appreciate the comments about map immersion and such since I am a new mapper and need to know such things. Also if I or someone else ever consider for a Chinese map Startrekern your idea has value but as I stated before i'd much rather do a armored fury rework or similar because personally I believe in the BF2 scenario storylines to go along with PR which is why in the future I will attempt to mod current BF2 maps and make them up to PR standards if I can.

Now on though PLEASE NO MORE POSTS ABOUT WHY THE CHINESE SHOULDN'T INVADE ENGLAND BECAUSE IM NO LONGER CONSIDERING THAT SCENARIO thanks.

Also Rhino thanks for the post about map immersion and all your thoughts very helpful and thanks everyone.