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Snipers can be good.

Most of the time they are bad

I once got 25-0 on Korgenal as a sniper. Didn't lose my kit once. Pure luck and a pinch of skill. 90% of the time you will get a bad sniper thinking he can be awesome and get loads of kills and dies, rage quits, and most of the time you will get a better player join the server. Sniper kits need to be in PR, just need some anit-noob function on the kit.

Dr2B Rudd wrote:ITs not 'snipers' its 'bad snipers'

Good Snipers provide recon etc, travel with a spotter for defence etc, and DO NOT LOSE THEIR KIT TO THE ENEMY.

Bad snipers

-request the kit without asking SL (sniper in 6 man squad = BAD, getting kit and leaving squad = BAD)
-Take an important team asset for their own use, e.g. Logistic truck
-lose their kit to the enemy

etc



Not good enough. Make a sniper squad, you only neeed 2 people in the squad. you+spotter. So don't muck other squads up by getting kit and leaving.



And you must not be in a 6 man squad for this reason.

The best sniper teams hitch a ride in a truck with another squad then walk.

That dude shouldn't have run you over, but you weren't doing ur SL any favours either.

Disagree with this point. I operate without a spotter half the time but operate just as well for the most part. Getting a sniper kit than leaving too create your own squad is just polite. Solo I still take out high priority targets and provide Intel for my team.

if i take sniper kit it will be enemy only , but to take team sniper and stay with 5 other ppl in sq , and to slow all sq? .... nahh




edit: i dont wanna offend nobody with that picture

Freeway, demonic pretty much sums up everything.

Because of what you did, you were wrong.

Going to a squad and getting a kit withotu asking your SL, and then leaving it which is what most of the players do who go after sniper kit, makes the SL feel like a used whore.

Dont do that.

ALWAYS ask SL what he wants you to be.

If i am in a map that i am interested in sniping, i will create a squad, and almost always have 5 guys join in right away cuz they want to be a part of it too. I keep it to 3 men only, and can get my sniper kit and have my spotter. If they dont like to be a spotter, you can always use ur kick option.

So dont get the wrong idea that a sniper is hated in PR, but the noobs who grab the sniper kit do noobish things and put our team into a disadvantage, THAT is the issue here.

Therefore, next time, just make that sniper squad, get ur sniper kit, do what u can for the team and stay alive. NOBODY will flame you, you will be loved.

I would know, im the type of sniper that stays alive the entire round and gets around 40 kills.


Another things ALOT of PR players dont understand is that when u have a serious asset and you lose it to an event out of your control, players will blame you and flame you for it, no matter what you say because they are ignorant. An example of this can be the apache in Karbala. That base is RAPED to the maximum by 2 sa-7's and 2 techincals and 4 suicide bombs at the moment the apache even thinks of taking off.

You can get out of there on skill AND luck combined. But when you are raped to the point you just couldnt survive then its not your fault.

It always looks clear and you get the green light, but when you take off, BAM, and its suddenly all your fault.

Therefore, all im saying is, as long as your doing the right thing, keep doing it, but do it right.

Ok joining a squad to use them for a kit is a bad thing ecko, you join squads to stick with them and play, not to use them, believe it or not people plan during briefing time so the SL in his head and through chat is allocating each persons role, for you to just leave can hinder his plans heavily.

gazzthompson wrote:thats why i dislike snipers ^^^ , who cares ? id rather have you in my squad as a medic, or fighting with me or as a SAW or grenadier rather than sitting on a rooftop at main base shooting a couple of people.

Then i suggest you start hating crewmen and pilots aswell. All they ever do is killing people anyway. Not different from snipers. Not in any way.

Dev1200 wrote:They don't do anything, and are almost always the people that run around, get shot, and lose the kit.

PR would be better without "snipers" since they act more like special forces then long range fire support.

Not me , I'm very patient. I also have a very good sense of tactics. The problem with snipers is they really need to be apart from the squad , or at least a fair distance away. If you leave them alone they can tell you what's going on and where. Snipers are also good at suppression and cover fire.

One kit I really miss though is the spec ops kit.

ma21212 wrote:? i love snipers, hehe i always steal their prized guns and then usem on thier own team! if i snipe and the only time i snipe is on my own maps im good at and i also make a sniper squad for it.

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Sniping should have as much of a skill penalty as piloting, as it is often the first kit noobs go for. Every scoped rifleman in PR is practically a Designated Marksman anyway... Wasting a bolt action is a disservice to your team. Often times, a squad is much better off as a unified group of riflemen than anything else.

18-0 on fallujah

25-0 on Korgenal

thats funny how people like to boast around with their k\d as snipers, especially on insurgency maps, where sniper kills benefits nearly nothing

Then i suggest you start hating crewmen and pilots aswell. All they ever do is killing people anyway. Not different from snipers. Not in any way.

o rly?
pilots and crewmans can do
recon- just like snipers and even better
kill- way more better than snipers
kill vehicles
transport
supply
they also heavily affect on enemy actions
still want to say sniper role is not different from crewman\pilot?

Well the word 'lonewolf' describes snipers perfectly. Not welcome in my squad.

All the best,
Viki

Allright felllas... Let me crack this one open for you.

Playing PR is about TEAMWORK... Now if you dont play PR for others, then dont bother playing PR at all.

Teamwork is about finding a need, and im not talking about your needs, im talking about the teams need, the need to win. How to win?

There is alot of needs in a team, if you see a need, you should fill that need. Alot of the time, there will be a need for leadership, a need for quidance, and a need for coordination.

There is a need for a medic, if someone dies, and there is a need for firepower in a firefight.

There is a need for heavy support when you see an apc.

There can be a need for speed in a transport case. Also there can be a need for transport, if you dont have transport ur team isnt really going anywhere.

It is up to the individual player, to decide what need is crucially needed at any given moment, at the start of the round for example 1.30 1.20, noone is making a squad, so there is a need for leadership, take that role, dont hesitate!

If you dont play this game for the team, but you play it in a selfish way, the way you excperience PR, will ruin the game for yourself, and others (Obviously you play PR for yourself, but im talking about the ingame way of mind)

Now, if i ever play PR, i usually play as a squadleader.. Why? Cause im good at it! and there is usually a need for being one. When i am a squadleader, i have 2 objectives to choose, attack or defend, usually noone is defending so lets do that. I found a need, and i filled a need.

Now if you want to go sniping, than that should implify that: There is a need for intel, there is a need for taking out officers, and there is a need to disrupt the enemy. Now, being a sniper is a very offencive kit, its not something you use to defend versus all kinds of troops, but its used as a recon/ behind enemy lines kit. Since thats the need.

Now, most players usually misunderstand the message of teamwork, heck even i do! I get so comfortable with squadleading im missing out on what is causing our team to lose!

I just wish everyone would follow a simple principle, Dont ask what my team can do for me, ask what i can do for my team! Like the US president we know so well

So, if all snipers had this "attitude" would we be seeing as many snipers? Probably not, and thats also why alot of people hate them, we dont think your pitching in. I mean were the one on the frontline, were taking fire, grenades, getting the shit pounded out of us. And we sometimes prevail and sometimes not, and usually snipers work from inside our own lines, behind the front line, watching our backs and looking at us getting shot at, waiting for us to be taken out so that the enemy can come into sight, and they can get those magic kills.

And if i was a real soldier, and i knew i could choose to either stay in front and fight, and make a difference in that battle with something i either knew or not, wheter it be driving gunning or running. Whatever it takes! Than i would do whatever it takes, not for my country, not for my wife and kids alone at home, not for the bloddy flag! or king or country, but for the guy next to me, whatever it takes to make him come home safely. And snipers, sorry to bring the bad news to you, but you really are a bunch of cowards. And you dont help out, you think we need a man sniping, but no, we need a medic, we need that extra grenade, that extra rifle on the front line, that extra voice. Telling us, were gonna be allright. Were gonna come through this one alive.

And so, i finish my post by saying, there are alot of good snipers out there, cause they see the need. They understand what the team needs, and delivers information and disrupts the enemy. But most snipers do it for their own pleasure.

If you want to enjoy playing PR, then play for the team. Find a need, fill a need.

// Wicca

DankE_SPB wrote:thats funny how people like to boast around with their k\d as snipers, especially on insurgency maps, where sniper kills benefits nearly nothing


o rly?
pilots and crewmans can do
recon- just like snipers and even better

Interesting. Why do pilots need snipers/officers to spot for them then?

kill- way more better than snipers

Way to miss my point there.

kill vehicles

True.

transport
supply

Not talking about that kind of pilots now.

they also heavily affect on enemy actions
still want to say sniper role is not different from crewman\pilot?

So do snipers. Ever been defending/attacking the supply flag on Barracuda with enemy snipers on the hill to the east of the flag? Its annoying as hell. You pop up, you die. All the time.

Wicca wrote:Allright felllas... Let me crack this one open for you.

Playing PR is about TEAMWORK...

No. Its about fun. And people have fun in different ways. Some like to run along with a squad and revive people, some like to kill stuff with a tank, some like to kill stuff with a sniper rifle. As long as they don't ruin your fun ( and there is no way for them to do that), i suggest you stop caring so much about what other people do.

Interesting. Why do pilots need snipers/officers to spot for them then?

to increase their efectiveness even more

So do snipers. Ever been defending/attacking the supply flag on Barracuda with enemy snipers on the hill to the east of the flag? Its annoying as hell. You pop up, you die. All the time.

if you're shooting at bots- yes, when you have average squad(not eveen talking about good), pop some smoke, get direction of incoming fire, supress and kill sniper

Example today of BAD SNIPERS

most of the time they were in server they were in seperate 1man squads, which imo is BAD

How did they get transport at the start? They took BOTH WMIKs on OGT. i.e. The Entire Team's complement of 50cals.

One ended up in the river, the other dumped by the bridge.

They then joined squads.

They then sat south of my squad at north objective

They passed no Intel

They got killed in 10minutes

They got 2 kills.

those 2 kills does not even cover teh vehicles they wasted.

They disconnected straight after being killed.

These are part of the category *n00bs*

I agree with Rudd, these are the people who give snipers a bad name

Kirra, the basis of PR is teamwork bud.

There was MUCH effort put in to making it a team effort win, even if that means doing something yourself for the benefit of the team.

Dont think you can argue against that too much.

I enjoy sniping. Any one who plays with me knows this. The biggest problem I see with the "Cool1337kids" is that they waste the asset by not utilizing it very well.

When I end up with a sniper rifle, very rarely was it intended at rounds start. If I am working with a squad and the situation requires the ranged reaper of souls. Than I may request for a sniper/DM.

I get a lot of kills as a sniper, that's because I'm good with the kit. ]

I do not grab the kit because I want to get kills, I grab it in support of my team. If the team does not NEED a sniper for the situation than I have no reason to be one.

What ticks me off, is the leet kids grabbing a sniper rifle and doing nothing with it. I feel the sniper kit is a very situational weapon. If anything I wish that the weapon could have a restriction, that it cannot be issued at the start of the round.

If I had a nickle for every time my squad or team needed a sniper in a certain spot, gone to request the kit, in a situation that could make or break the game, only to see one or both rifles being wasted by kids who couldn't use the kit to save their lives. It makes me very very irritated.

Also to hear the snipers in question saying "Oh Look, I have kills, I'm doing good"

@ The bad sniper. The difference between a good sniper is this.

Any one can get kills with the sniper, that does not make you special. What makes you good, is setting up in an area, and engaging targets that make a direct impact on outcome of the game.

The problem, is you just don't go out and find these targets most of the time. You sort of run into situations where you need to kill them. Chances are, when you run into these targets the first time, you die. That's when you request your kit and make a difference. Walking around as a sniper, trying to find that situation normally ends you pointlessly getting killed.

PS Bad Sniper You Do Not NEED A Sniper Kit to DO RECON Kthnx? Just get an SL kit or ANY kit with Binos.


Btw "Bad Sniper" is referring to the stereotype "Bad Sniper" Not any one player. Just the stereotype.

is there any way that this kit could only be requested by a squad leader or only issued by a commander to prevent the 1337kids getting their dirty mitts on the kit?

any squad needing more accurate fire than the scoped rifleman should really be using the designated marksman kit, but thats only imo.

i do feel snipers have their place in the game but as others have already mentioned it does get rather annoying when they are dead 5 min into the game with half the transport in enemy territory.

personally i'd like to use the sniper kit occasionally but i know my limits, i cant hit anything at 60m let alone 600m so i leave well alone.