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So gathering what has been said in the last few posts, as long as you have fun it's ok for example to go around roadkilling everyone, strapping C4 to a Humvee and throw it at a cache and baserape the hell out of the enemy team because it's possible to do so? No wonder people are saying PR is dieing and gameplay quality has been going downhill.

P.S.: Before you get mad at me I know you wouldn't do such things, but it's pretty much what you said.

Brainlaag wrote:Also following your logic, there wouldn't be any "Transport, logistics, mortars or defense" squads, as those are all boring roles and only influence the teams performance but hardly ever add to your squad's "fun".

Transport is fun, and I do it frequently. I don't do logistics, as it's boring. I don't do mortars, as it's boring. I don't do defense unless I'm ordered too, as it's boring.

I play this game because I want to have fun. Why would I do something that isn't? Being on the losing team doesn't bother me at all either, as long as I'm having fun.

saXoni wrote:Transport is fun, and I do it frequently. I don't do logistics, as it's boring. I don't do mortars, as it's boring. I don't do defense unless I'm ordered too, as it's boring.

I play this game because I want to have fun. Why would I do something that isn't? Being on the losing team doesn't bother me at all either, as long as I'm having fun.

Why don't YOU play against bots, there you can have your fun slaughtering targets, without having to waste a single thought about companions on your team, or roles that someone has to take over in order to keep the whole machinery running smooth. Being selfish is easy, contributing something isn't.

Brainlaag wrote:Why don't YOU play against bots

Because playing against bots isn't fun?

saXoni wrote:Because playing against bots isn't fun?

And how is it fun steamrolling and green team? Whats the difference? Maybe 1 % of better tactics and behavior but you should be able to look over that.

Brainlaag wrote:And how is it fun steamrolling and green team? Whats the difference? Maybe 1 % of better tactics and behavior but you should be able to look over that.

I already told you - steamrolling is fun, if you're the one doing it. Don't get me wrong, I do realize that the people on the other team are having a bad time, but it's a game. It's a game that you play because you want to have fun. If you spend your time thinking "Oh no, the opposite team must have such a shitty round now. We must stop killing them and give them a chance", it's not the game for you. The game is about tactics, communication, killing and capping flags/taking out caches (or defending, for that matter).

If your team fail to communicate, kill and cap flags, you know that they're not on the same level as you. When they're not on the same level as you, there's no reason involving them. Stick with your squad, and do your best. Usually it ends up with a good round (at least when I'm in the squad I want to be).

The difference between bots and real people are their intelligence. You know you're playing against real people, which makes it even funnier to beat them.

I believe the difference between bots and real people's tactics and behavior is more than 1%. What am I supposed to look over? Over the fact that I'm actually playing against real people, and beating them is a larger achievement than beating bots?

As an active server admin. you should have concern for everyone's entertainment and not just you and yours.
If you can't accept that you may want to STOP server admining and focus on SN1

CommunistComma wrote:As an active server admin. you should have concern for everyone's entertainment and not just you and yours.
If you can't accept that you may want to STOP server admining and focus on SN1

As far as I know having your own opinions on how you want to play this game isn't against the rules on PRTA. Me being a server admin has nothing to do with this.

"I don't care about anyone else" isn't an opinion, it's a state of mind.

Fair enough. I don't think having a particular state of mind is against the rules on PRTA either.

Take a perspective from the other side, imagine you are on the receiving end, be it weather due to bad luck or lack of good players. Do you want to spend your time getting beaten up, wouldn't you approve people switching over to your side and other helping out your team? Its basically the same situation, its a game but why raging over a game, so you quit and maybe 30 others do, leaving the server half empty and the opponent without any enemy to fight. Thus you can't only choose the fun and easy side, someone always has to do the dirty job, there is no gain without pain.

Sometimes holding back improves everyone's experience.

PR players are not always equally skilled, others just behave ignorantly and arrogant fighting there own wars for the sake of fun. You can't demand both teams to be on pair terms. Just imagine if everyone was playing for fun and his own way, the result would be chaos. By enjoying the beauty of a MP game, you have to become part of it and take over both roles, those of the losers and winners.

If you are not willing to do so, you should play SP, as there no counterbalance is required.

saXoni wrote:Fair enough. I don't think having a particular state of mind is against the rules on PRTA either.

That falls into the requirement for a professional admin.

Above post embodies the qualities of a good Pr player.
Please note that skill takes little part.

I think you kind of misunderstood me, Brain. There's nothing I appreciate more than teamwork and communication. I would choose that before "fighting my own war" any day.

If I'm on the losing team, where there's no communication, and my squad is constantly getting killed due to the other team being better than mine, I will most likely quit, as I'm not enjoying it. However, if there are players on the other team that wouldn't mind switching over to us to balance out the teams it's much appreciated. They've gained my respect. This doesn't mean that I would've done the same if I were in their shoes, though.

Brainlaag wrote:Take a perspective from the other side, imagine you are on the receiving end, be it weather due to bad luck or lack of good players. Do you want to spend your time getting beaten up, wouldn't you approve people switching over to your side and other helping out your team? Its basically the same situation, its a game but why raging over a game, so you quit and maybe 30 others do, leaving the server half empty and the opponent without any enemy to fight. Thus you can't only choose the fun and easy side, someone always has to do the dirty job, there is no gain without pain.

Sometimes holding back improves everyone's experience.

PR players are not always equally skilled, others just behave ignorantly and arrogant fighting there own wars for the sake of fun. You can't demand both teams to be on pair terms. Just imagine if everyone was playing for fun and his own way, the result would be chaos. By enjoying the beauty of a MP game, you have to become part of it and take over both roles, those of the losers and winners.

If you are not willing to do so, you should play SP, as there no counterbalance is required.


That falls into the requirement for a professional admin.

If you stop to think about how other people are feeling when you're PLAYING A VIDEO GAME, you got some weird problems. Also you guys are ganging up on Saxoni like little girls bickering.

In my opinion, just play the game and demolish the other team into oblivion. That's fun enough right there.

saXoni wrote:Fair enough. I don't think having a particular state of mind is against the rules on PRTA either.

Not everything is governed by rules. It's a bit against PRTA etiquette.

Thats the whole point Sax, you want everything but you are not willing to sacrifice any of your time/resources to improve the overall mod. There is a very fitting expression for that kind of being, a parasite.

And Mouth said it.

Priceline:

Maybe you should study a bit Hinduism and Buddhism regarding the term "Karma". What you do, will eventually come back to you. If everyone while playing were thinking about the enemy, or other players on your team in general, rage and "bad-rounds" would NOT exist. But you are all obviously way to selfish for that.

PricelineNegotiator wrote:Also you guys are ganging up on Saxoni like little girls bickering.

Haha. It's okay, I enjoy discussing with people

Brainlaag wrote:Thats the whole point Sax, you want everything but you are not willing to sacrifice any of your time/resources to improve the overall mod. There is a very fitting expression for that kind of being, a parasite.

Call me a parasite if that's what you want to call me. I am who I am. As I've already stated; I'm playing this mod for fun. I want to have fun. I know I'm selfish, I have no problem whatsoever saying that.

Double post - sorry.

Brainlaag wrote:Depends, on maps like Kokan it can become really frustrating, as no matter what the INS team puts up, one LAV-3 (Stryker) suppressing the compound walls, coupled with a fast G-Wagon (Humvee), can bypass any defenses. The CE just needs about ten to fifteen seconds to drive up, stop, place the C4, drive away and finally detonate the charge, blowing all the Insurgents' hopes to hell.

It's another flaw in an utterly disrupted gamemode. Also taking into consideration, that IRL coalition forces always examine the cache and make a catalogue of all present weapons, explosives and any other kind of devices before they blow it, this is just another step away from the so called "realism" in PR.

Well written. I think this is the best summary we can get in this topic. Add the fact that caches locations are fixed and known for many experienced players. Usually all immersion is gone when someone sticks C4 to the correct wall and all the defense and basic idea of Insurgency is gone.

saXoni wrote:Call me a parasite if that's what you want to call me. I am who I am. As I've already stated; I'm playing this mod for fun. I want to have fun. I know I'm selfish, I have no problem whatsoever saying that.

I'm not into making you feel bad, or trying to flame you. I'm merely pointing out the main factors that are "killing" PR and hands down, its always the players...players like you.

No gameflaw, exploit, glitch, bug, you say it, is an issue until a player walks by and abuses the mentioned thing.