Rate Of 30mm. Fire on Warrior/Scimitar

Post by **Rhino** » 2008-01-20 09:50

SuperTimo wrote:check this out: Warrior

watch ther video on the right at the end it shows a warrior firing its a lot faster then the current ROF and it sounds a lot different.

notice thou it only fires 5 of its 6 rounds. its top ROF is really high, but they never fire that fast in r/l due to the time it takes to reload like i explained in the preovice posts. in r/l its set to like semi auto, so the ROF is basically limited too how fast the guy presses the trigger each time. We cant simulate a very accruate reloading or rate of fire as it is in r/l in the warrior / scimitar and the most realisitc is the one we have right now.

SuperTimo · Post by **SuperTimo** » 2008-01-20 10:28

awwww ah well no worries, just a shame seeing our kit get chewed up!

Sabre_tooth_tigger · Post by **Sabre_tooth_tigger** » 2008-01-20 12:03

It'd be of some use to fire really quickly, withdraw to cover, reload and then repeat

Post by **Rhino** » 2008-01-20 12:05

Jonny wrote:Why would treating both shell types as a shotgun, so that 3 are (slowly) reloaded at a time and it can be fired semi-auto at a high rate before you run out of shells and including a delay when switching weapon to simulate the gunner removing shells and/or loading the other type of shell not produce that?

ie, what it is now.

Eddie Baker · Post by **Eddie Baker** » 2008-01-20 15:13

SuperTimo wrote:check this out: Warrior

watch ther video on the right at the end it shows a warrior firing its a lot faster then the current ROF and it sounds a lot different.

That's the L94 coaxial chain-gun firing. You can see the firing signature is coming from behind the muzzle of the Rarden, and the Rarden cannon barrel is not reciprocating, as it does in the second portion of the weapons demo.

[Edit]My mistake, now I see what you mean. As Rhino said, notice that it only fires five rounds.

BloodBane611 · Post by **BloodBane611** » 2008-01-20 18:02

Jonny's idea sounds like a much more realistic portrayal of the Rarden than what we currently ave, which is a rather ineffective compromise. Assuming it works as jonny says, I think that would be a great weapon, and more realism is always a plus.

agentscar · Post by **agentscar** » 2008-01-21 00:44

I just wish it was speeded up by a like 1 sec. or something.Not speeded up like it was in .6 though.That was waaay to fast.But I wish it was just speeded up a tad bit.

fludblud · Post by **fludblud** » 2008-01-21 06:42

sorry if this has already been explained but i dont see why we cant have an ordinary firing rate and 6 round clips, would make the warrior far more unique than the current setup of near mirror APCs with different ROFs right now

WNxKenwayy · Post by **WNxKenwayy** » 2008-01-21 10:32

The question isn't what is the weapon capable of, its how it is used in real life. I have no experience with this weapon system, but if in in real world combat they are trained to fire on single, then that's what it will stay.

Post by **Rhino** » 2008-01-21 10:49

WNxKenwayy wrote:The question isn't what is the weapon capable of, its how it is used in real life. I have no experience with this weapon system, but if in in real world combat they are trained to fire on single, then that's what it will stay.

yep kenwayy has basically got it. From what the guys at Bovington told us they would only fire it off on full auto using all there rounds in a real emergency which didnt happen at all often from what they told us. So this is really the most realistic way we can represent this weapon ingame at the moment.

Sadist_Cain · Post by **Sadist_Cain** » 2008-01-21 10:59

I see what the other guy is saying, you have 6 shots before you have to "change weapon" and change back again, simulating the reload.... I think

That'd work

Realism or comprimise all the way

tis just another case of not the best weaponry but technique being developed to make it as effective as possible in battle. Obviously not emptying your clip at every target in case there's another is the way it's done using an AA gun on an APV

Burlock · Post by **Burlock** » 2008-01-21 13:30

but in the terms of game balance would it not be worth giving the warriors these new upgraded cannons, even if you dont know the details of them 100% because they havent necessarly been installed in RL yet? it does leave the brits awfully weak in that area in comparison.

Post by **Rhino** » 2008-01-21 13:36

Burlock wrote:but in the terms of game balance would it not be worth giving the warriors these new upgraded cannons, even if you dont know the details of them 100% because they havent necessarly been installed in RL yet? it does leave the brits awfully weak in that area in comparison.

probaly yes. still talking over the matter.

Burlock · Post by **Burlock** » 2008-01-21 14:05

[R-DEV]Rhino wrote:probaly yes. still talking over the matter.

glad its being considered

not sure if you have seen it but a nice talk about the new options from the people bidding on them

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Sabre_tooth_tigger · Post by **Sabre_tooth_tigger** » 2008-01-21 18:59

Good video thanks, the first two proposals looked smart. Looking to tender start of 2008 he said

Eddie Baker · Post by **Eddie Baker** » 2008-01-21 21:20

Burlock wrote:but in the terms of game balance would it not be worth giving the warriors these new upgraded cannons, even if you dont know the details of them 100% because they havent necessarly been installed in RL yet? it does leave the brits awfully weak in that area in comparison.

Don't you think enough mirroring has been done already? The Rarden is a powerful gun; the rounds it fires are almost the same size as those of the GAU-8 (on the A-10) and 2A42/GsH-30 (on the BTR-90 and Mi-28/Su-25).

Starting in 2008? The MoD works even slower than the DoD. I doubt that an entire battalion will be equipped with the new turret by 2013.

Post by **strima** » 2008-01-22 13:27

Burlock wrote:glad its being considered

not sure if you have seen it but a nice talk about the new options from the people bidding on them

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Nice find with the vid....

You'll be suprised how quickly they come in once the bid is won.

Eddie Baker · Post by **Eddie Baker** » 2008-01-23 01:56

strima wrote:Nice find with the vid....

You'll be suprised how quickly they come in once the bid is won.

I hope so.

Right now the one that looks most promising to me is the Lockheed-Martin entry. In addition to reusing the components the spokesman mentioned, the Mk44 (Bushmaster II) cannon uses ammunition that is already in UK inventory, 30 x 173mm. This is used in the Royal Navy's Goalkeeper CIWS, and is the same family rounds fired by the A-10's GAU-8 cannon. It can also be chambered for the 30mm Rarden ammunition (30 x 170mm), if they want to keep it.