[Rant] Armor needs to be more restricted in operating

[<1sk>Headshot]

Irish;472316'] Solo tanker has to switch to kill things, an attack helo pilot doesnt.... and if you're high enough in the air as a helo, you can switch pilot--> gunner--> pilot and in 30 secs be up and flying again.

Ok, so you honestly think that people use this tactic in-game? LOL.

And yes it is just a game, but with the simple goal of being realistic. Do you seriously think that a tank driver would stop then jump into the gunners position in the middle of a modern conflict and start firing away then ump out and drive again. If you don't like the fact it's being made "ultra-realistic" then it seriously isn't for you.

Irish;472316']Or for realism's sake, why do we have people taking a landrover/hummer on their own, leaving 3 guys at the base that now have to walk to the fight?

Not the mods fault you've played with smacktards in the past. The same can be said for solo-tankers. IMO you should only have to solo-tank if theres no-one else to gun for you, same goes with solo heloing. All the "ultra-realistic" changes being made are to phase players out who don't want to teamplay.

This issue should be fixxed by the mods who do there best to give us this amazing mod. If solotanking was how the devs wanted it, they wouldn't had added 3 seats would they?

Try reading over the thread and count how many people support your ideas compared with those against.

Sorry if this post appears hostile but you totally contradict the direction of the mod IMO and surely others.

[Kahuna]

How long does it take the engine of a MBT to warm up? Why not have the same principle as we have with Choppers, a warm up time? Solo tankers would be sitting ducks while waiting to move.
Just a thought
Kahuna

[[uBp]Irish]

pretty much instant. abrams has a jet engine, so just push a button and go.

and headshot... that was a great post.. really.. quite spectacular.

how is contradicting the direction of the mod saying that a guy in a hummer shouldnt drive away with only himself?


I'm saying it's ok if you make a crew limitation for a tank to operate, as long as the same limitation is set on the other vehicles if we are going to cry "realism" as the reason for the change.

[Gaz]

I think it's rediculous that some players here still think that soloing in a tank is acceptable. It may be available to do, but I'd like to *think* that the community (server admins) can decide for themselves and regulate their server as they see fit.

As a player, yes I do it, but I know the option to aint going to be there forever (not because I know anything more than you guys, but because it's an obvious issue).

No tank driver the the world can drive, stop, get into the gunner compartment, engage a target, fire, then drive off and repair a tank 100%.

Outlawz has a very valid point. Your defence of 'But helis can do it' seems to me to have more holes in it than the Titanic. Tanks don't have 30 second warm up. Tanks don't by real life design give too much of the enemy engagement job to the driver. Tanks don't fall out of the sky if the driver suddenly jumps to another seat. They stay static/come to a halt.

In my estimation, a tank holds the destructive element of (when used right) 2 fully competant squads in the damage to the other team it can inflict, and the ground it can control, oversee while doing so. Trying to compare this with 'OMG then we need Humvee's to only be able to be driven with more than one player' really makes people look stupid as they obviously don't realise a tank against a squad will in all probability wipe out the squad (unless the tank's been active for 5-10 minutes and someone has bothered to get a H-AT). A humvee is a battlefield taxi.

[M.J.Patterson]

As a player, yes I do it, but I know the option to aint going to be there forever (not because I know anything more than you guys, but because it's an obvious issue).

Its easier for me to solo than to go with a two man crew. Only thing that you can't do solo is staying mobile and having your rounds ready to fire.. Thats not that big of a deal with a little strategy and tactics.

It needs to give more advantages to 2 man crews or not be possible to solo at all.

[[uBp]Irish]

gaz, you are missing my point, and i want to say i've said this many times.



if you are going to put crew limitations on a tank (to make it so you cant solo tank), than i dont see why it's so unethical to do it to the other vehicles as well, if this is such an issue of "realism" that we are trying to strive for.

[M.J.Patterson]

Irish;473120']gaz, you are missing my point, and i want to say i've said this many times.



if you are going to put crew limitations on a tank (to make it so you cant solo tank), than i dont see why it's so unethical to do it to the other vehicles as well, if this is such an issue of "realism" that we are trying to strive for.

In my experience... The difference between a solo tank and a solo hmmwv is about 50 kills and 0 deaths. Its not so much an issue of realism as it is an issue between one person being able to rock the casbah of the other team singlehandedly.. Its the same issue I have with Jets on Kashan.

[Long Bow]

Gaz;473014']I think it's rediculous that some players here still think that soloing in a tank is acceptable. It may be available to do, but I'd like to *think* that the community (server admins) can decide for themselves and regulate their server as they see fit.

As a player, yes I do it, but I know the option to aint going to be there forever (not because I know anything more than you guys, but because it's an obvious issue).

.

The simple facts of the current situation are that there is no clear cut advantage to be a two man crew currently. Yes you gain mobility but you loose shot stability. I fully agree that a two man crew should dominate a solo tank, however with the gun jumping and vibrating because you have a driver really hurts the two man crew. So yes in the future the solo tanker may not be possible but if the current problems are still present things will not have really improved. Forcing two men to operate a tank is great but the other flaws need to be addressed at the same time IMO.

[{GD}Ghost]

Irish;473120']gaz, you are missing my point, and i want to say i've said this many times.



if you are going to put crew limitations on a tank (to make it so you cant solo tank), than i dont see why it's so unethical to do it to the other vehicles as well, if this is such an issue of "realism" that we are trying to strive for.

Perhaps I can translate. The purpose of a humvee is merely to move troops around the battlefield. This can be done even in real life regardless of if you have any troops with you or not. The number of troops in a humvee does not make it any more or any less effective in its intended use. It is intended merely for transportation for one or more troops.

The tank, on the other hand, is never operated in real life with only one crewman....especially in a battle situation because, not only would it not last long, it is very inefficient and irresponsible. I won't even mention that there isn't a competent soldier out there that would even think about trying to do this because frankly, it is not possible.

real life:
You can drive a humvee solo. It does not require a multiple man crew to be effective. its simply meant for transportation.

You cannot use a tank as intended from the driver's seat and I dare you to give me a real life example where one man has taken a tank into battle solo.

People need to stop blindly defending their points of view simply because they want to continue doing things wrong. No, not everything can be make 100% realistic in PR, but that is where we, and the DEVs hope common sense and use of grey matter come into play. Unfortunately, this is obviously not put into practice as often as it should be.

Try taking a more realistic mentality when coming into the PR community because that is the standard with which this mod was and is continuing to be created.

[Wellink]

Irish;473120']gaz, you are missing my point, and i want to say i've said this many times.



if you are going to put crew limitations on a tank (to make it so you cant solo tank), than i dont see why it's so unethical to do it to the other vehicles as well, if this is such an issue of "realism" that we are trying to strive for.

It's not only from a realistic point of vieuw, it's more the gameplay that suffers from solo tankers, this mod is supposed to be about Teamwork.

[M.J.Patterson]

The simple facts of the current situation are that there is no clear cut advantage to be a two man crew currently. Yes you gain mobility but you loose shot stability. I fully agree that a two man crew should dominate a solo tank, however with the gun jumping and vibrating because you have a driver really hurts the two man crew. So yes in the future the solo tanker may not be possible but if the current problems are still present things will not have really improved. Forcing two men to operate a tank is great but the other flaws need to be addressed at the same time IMO.

Amen

Perhaps I can translate. The purpose of a humvee is merely to move troops around the battlefield. This can be done even in real life regardless of if you have any troops with you or not. The number of troops in a humvee does not make it any more or any less effective in its intended use. It is intended merely for transportation for one or more troops.

The tank, on the other hand, is never operated in real life with only one crewman....especially in a battle situation because, not only would it not last long, it is very inefficient and irresponsible. I won't even mention that there isn't a competent soldier out there that would even think about trying to do this because frankly, it is not possible.

real life:
You can drive a humvee solo. It does not require a multiple man crew to be effective. its simply meant for transportation.

You cannot use a tank as intended from the driver's seat and I dare you to give me a real life example where one man has taken a tank into battle solo.

People need to stop blindly defending their points of view simply because they want to continue doing things wrong. No, not everything can be make 100% realistic in PR, but that is where we, and the DEVs hope common sense and use of grey matter come into play. Unfortunately, this is obviously not put into practice as often as it should be.

Try taking a more realistic mentality when coming into the PR community because that is the standard with which this mod was and is continuing to be created.

Ya darn right.

It's not only from a realistic point of vieuw, it's more the gameplay that suffers from solo tankers, this mod is supposed to be about Teamwork.

You said it.

[Outlawz7]

Agreed with above as well

[[uBp]Irish]

fuck it.. you're missing the point.

[{GD}Ghost]

Irish;473241']fuck it.. you're missing the point.

.....so explain your point from a realistic point of view in a manner that we can understand. If you're simply trying to defend solo tanking, drop it. This is no argument you can use in the realm of reality that will justify this.

[l|Bubba|l]

...
Also, with a crewed tank, you can take shot, pull back, reload and shoot again, while Mr. Solo stops, switches, loads, them gets hit, moves, loads and gets finished off.

It's a disadvantage to move in this situation.
The enemy solo tank can shoot at you when driving back or forward where you have to wait with your shot for a out swinging tank.

The solo tank can place more shots on the 2 man crewed tank in less time.

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Everyone screams, how everything is run'n'gun and fragfest instead of tactical movement - but everyone defends the fact, that you CAN solely operate armor and happily slaughter more enemies than sniper...

Yes, it is. Try getting a good driver/gunner and keep on moving. Enemy can never get your position accurately, because youre on the move 24/7

Strange.
Isn't moving your tank 24/7 run'n'gun?
And a solo tank who drives from a good position to another good position is not tactical?

And moving all the time is a bad idea. When you stay at your position you know your area and possible enemies. If you moving you expose you're tank to possible enemeys that can see you with ease but you can't see them that fast.

Btw:
A little problem with 2 man crews is the always running engine. They can't hear enemy engineers as fast as a solo tank.

[Outlawz7]

They wouldnt be able to hear it in any way, because you cant hear, whats outside the tank due the thick armor :d uh:

Do you know, that IRL theres actually a phone mounted on the tank, so infantry can communicate with the tank crew?

The solo tank can place more shots on the 2 man crewed tank in less time.

That depends.
If I just sneaked up on him in the middle of the city, fired and pulled back for my gunner to reload, he will have no idea, where it came from and the second shot will kill him. There

[l|Bubba|l]

They wouldnt be able to hear it in any way, because you cant hear, whats outside the tank due the thick armor :d uh:

Do you know, that IRL theres actually a phone mounted on the tank, so infantry can communicate with the tank crew?



That depends.
If I just sneaked up on him in the middle of the city, fired and pulled back for my gunner to reload, he will have no idea, where it came from and the second shot will kill him. There

And I talk about the ingame situation as it is now.
PR != RL

Yes I know, but what has this to do with that?

Urban condition is another part.
But yes, I wouldn't drive with a solo tank into a city.

[Sadist_Cain]

Irish;471885']i mean.. if we're striving for reality in this game,

Yes indeed we are striving for realism
Reality = NO SOLO TANKING... END OF now everyone leave it

[hx.bjoffe]

I'm worried that removing the wrench off crewman, only'll leave the solo-tanker prioritizing a Engy in the .50 rather than another crewman.

[[uBp]Irish]

way to revive a dead thread.


but yep, that's all that's going to happen.



atleast we're getting teamwork?






i'm going to bring this up one more time to see if i can get some positive, non-aggressive responses.


if the tank is made so that solo-tanking is non-existent (cant move the vehicle without another player) do you believe that it should be, or should not be applied to helo's, and if so why or why not.

(point is it's the same principle)