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Pfft, we should just take ladders out of the game... Case closed . Still have your sliding down ladders, and have no ladders. Everybody happy.

ukVandal wrote:
Down vertical ladders and diagonal. I have even slid down a 50ft Girder when being chased through a derilict building no burns no injuries. That was a good 15 years ago, doubt I could do it now lol.
But it is most definitely do-able.

Pics or it didnt happen. Oh and can you do it again with a rifle, ammo, kevlar vest and a bag on your back please.

[R-DEV]Spush wrote:Pfft, we should just take ladders out of the game... Case closed . Still have your sliding down ladders, and have no ladders. Everybody happy.

Just remove the ladder from hotels.

[R-DEV]Rhino wrote:Well I dunno about what the US dose but if they did things differently, I'm sure our MAs would have pointed it out by now but I know watching a lot of British documenatries how common a combat ladder is especially in Afghanistan.

Because why the hell not?

Prolly the coolest ladders in the world, and that's from a ladder sort of guy.

did i say that didnt exist? i was trying to make a point that they are not as common as they are in game. hell, in some platoons it can be a SOP to have a SL carry a claymore....doesn't mean im gona come and say "hey in my platoon the SL and PL carried claymores." we brought them if they were mission dependent. like setting up a defense or an ambush. same thing would go for ladders i would think. i'd much rather see the AT4 or the 203 on the spawn screen rather than the specialist. those 2 kits are more common than the shotgun/combat ladder kit. right? is that not a valid point?

look i dont mind using it and believe me i take full advantage of it when i do.... i just dont like it because it takes me out of the game from an immersion point of view...just like when i see a blufor guy with insurgent head garb and an ak. you just dont see that stuff.

there are just so many ways to get over obstacles if you think outside the box. like bringing a vehicle next to the wall to jump over or using map placed objects to jump over or using explosives or a vehicle to take out a destructible wall.

I think they are a lot more common than you think they are, in fact I do know the US use them a lot as I've seen them in quite a few documentaries, here is one at 10mins 15, think at a few other parts but remember this one as the USMC troops got hit by an IED at that point too. I also don't think the grapple hook is that common ingame myself. Only one kit has it and its limited to something like 4 or 5 per team and also doesn't even have a scope in it. While ye in proportion terms its probably more common than they are in r/l (when thinking of combat ladders) its still about right for gameplay.

Like I said before on the immersion POV, if we could do a combat ladder decently we would but a grapple hook is the best way we can archive this right now without spending god knows how many hrs looking into a more realistic alternative that we are unlikely to find or work just as well or better than what we have now.

As for jumping on vehicles etc, ye you can do that but your not going to be able to do that without a big loud vehicle now which your unlikely to get and if you do get it, its most likely going to be dumped by the wall and when your squad gets killed, left there for the rest of the battle....


Anyways this is going really offtopic. If anyone wants to discuss this topic about grapple hooks and combat ladders further please make a new topic about it.

Sry about offtopic, but in the video you posted Rhino, at 14:09 it shows a wrecked BRDM - who did it belong to?

Nobody, its one of the thousands of vehicles left over by the Soviets when they left. There are graveyards full of T-62's, BMP's, BRDM's and BTR's in Kabul.

Its as possible to do in real life as guys at construction sites that practically fly up them without using their hands. With full combat gear though it might be harder. Its not a game breaker however and your OP is just your opinion. So it dosen't hold a lot of weight to getting it removed. Theres no real reason to remove it at the end of the day.

SGT.Ice wrote:Its as possible to do in real life as guys at construction sites that practically fly up them without using their hands. With full combat gear though it might be harder. Its not a game breaker however and your OP is just your opinion. So it dosen't hold a lot of weight to getting it removed. Theres no real reason to remove it at the end of the day.

Except that its unrealistic....The speed and height it happens in PR is unrealistic, especially if you factor in the weight of the gear soldier carry. And also the fact that soldiers probably are not trained to slide on ladders like they're little kids coming down from their tree house. (will need an MA to confirm)

Also going up a vertical ladder with no hands is impossible, slanted ladder yes.

I think the implementation of this sugestion is like deviation, nobody likes it, but it has to be done for realism reasons...

When you get shot on a ladder you a re instantly dead. Therefore climbing a ladder is dangerous enough. I am all for having realism over gameplay
BUT
imagine yourself (with combat gear if you want to) in a real life warzone climbing down a ladder. Someone opens fire on you...Wouldn't you do ANYTHING even sliding down a ladder (even though you might not being trained for that) in order to save your life!?!

That is the root of many problems we encounter in games: There is no button for "holy cow, my life depends on this or that"-button. Like running. In reality I can run, sprint and when I fear my life I can run even faster...

I am against removing it but what do you guys think of this instead:

When you press "shift + down" on a ladder you will slide directly on the ground and get a little bit of falling damage...like if you would have jumped from a 1 story roof or sth. This would be to simulate the ability to save your life on the cost of little damage (like bumping an ancle or sth.)

Thoughts?!

Edit: There is no "I found a possible alternative" so I vote "No, Like it how it is!"

I'm definitely down to remove it but make it so you can descend ladders faster when holding the shift key (although probably not too much faster) that sounds good to me

To me its more than just realism.

When a sniper feels safe on top of an exposed crane with virtually no solid cover and feels safe because he knows he can just warp down the ladder. Then something is wrong.

People should not feel safe on exposed rooftops or when climbing up or down ladders. If you are getting shot when climbing down then you should have your squad cover you, or you should climb down before the enemy starts shooting at you.

It is realistic, I say keep it. - Submariners use this day in and day out.

Is there a way to make the graphics show the soldiers climbing up the ladder and gripping the sides instead of the rungs?

No it isn't something to be removed as when you are going down a ladder just like climbing up it you can slide down a ladder and have the feeling of almost getting shot but when just the normal way down you get shoot and then that doesn't happen but it is the best thing to have in PR.

Never thought about this, but I'd prefer it to be removed - does seem far-fetched in all that gear!