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hx.bjoffe wrote:

How did you get a picture of me?

You want some feedback, TG!? Ok, here's some feedback for you:

Best teamwork, most mumble participation, good maps, excellent admins, I no longer play on any other server unless it's late at night and I have to start hitting up the Aussie servers

The only thing stopping me from purchasing a supporting membership is the fact that I don't have all that much time to play PR as of lately.

edit: so take THAT.

communistman wrote:You want some feedback, TG!? Ok, here's some feedback for you:

Best teamwork, most mumble participation, good maps, excellent admins, I no longer play on any other server unless it's late at night and I have to start hitting up the Aussie servers

The only thing stopping me from purchasing a supporting membership is the fact that I don't have all that much time to play PR as of lately.

edit: so take THAT.

Ouch!

Sometimes the truth hurts. Regardless, we appreciate the feedback and we'll try to get better from it.

See ya on the server!

I'm done playing PR until the server license group starts enforcing stricter policies that crack down on admin abuse. I am tired of admins acting on Hear-say with no checks and balances. I donated because I really enjoyed the community and I loved playing PR. I'm done. These admins have no morals. I thought "Maybe if I become a supporting member to a community like TG, they won't treat me like a number and I'll always get the benefit of the doubt". WRONG. 9 Dollars is what it is, it doesn't even get you a chance to speak with a admin. I never had a history of anything, I do one thing that can easily be considered a accident and boom banned 9 dollars down the drain. I never used profanity always tried to be as polite as possible, told them it would never happen again but that I just didn't react fast enough to hit 1 stupid button and I wouldn't be writing this.. Can't even take it to their forums because they banned me without even giving me a chance to address something I didn't even think was even all that serious. This was no Gamer Felony it was a matter of reaction timing and since I wasn't fast enough I got the hammer.



I didn't TK, I didn't Giltch, I didn't steal assets, I did something that other servers wouldn't have even blinked at. It was clearly an accident.

Thanks for the Drama TG.

Until Ban appeals can be made on Realitymod.com there will Always be abuse.


EDIT: and the real kicker? I just got re-charged for my sept supporting member status even though i'm banned.

Expatriate Gamer wrote:I'm done playing PR until the server license group starts enforcing stricter policies that crack down on admin abuse. I am tired of admins acting on Hear-say with no checks and balances. I donated because I really enjoyed the community and I loved playing PR. I'm done. These admins have no morals. I thought "Maybe if I become a supporting member to a community like TG, they won't treat me like a number and I'll always get the benefit of the doubt". WRONG. 9 Dollars is what it is, it doesn't even get you a chance to speak with a admin. I never had a history of anything, I do one thing that can easily be considered a accident and boom banned 9 dollars down the drain. I never used profanity always tried to be as polite as possible, told them it would never happen again but that I just didn't react fast enough to hit 1 stupid button and I wouldn't be writing this.. Can't even take it to their forums because they banned me without even giving me a chance to address something I didn't even think was even all that serious. This was no Gamer Felony it was a matter of reaction timing and since I wasn't fast enough I got the hammer.



I didn't TK, I didn't Giltch, I didn't steal assets, I did something that other servers wouldn't have even blinked at. It was clearly an accident.

Thanks for the Drama TG.

Until Ban appeals can be made on Realitymod.com there will Always be abuse.


EDIT: and the real kicker? I just got re-charged for my sept supporting member status even though i'm banned.

Administrating a PR server effectively is a tremendously hard thing to achieve.

Admins do not have the time to investigate countless reports of glitching, TKing, Auto-theft, abuse and other offences. Sometimes, admins just have to go on the words of others. It would take too long for a full report to be levied and processed on the TG forums, not to mention that in that time the accused could re-offend, further tainting gameplay for everyone.

Lots of people are TG supporting members, regardless of their standing or their relationship with the community. With that said, I think it would be poor form for admins to place firmer trust in someone simply because they have the economic flexibility to buy an SM-ship. It would be better form however, for an admin to place more belief in a more familiar, renowned or regular player.
It doesnt mean trusted and highly regular players dont lie, however. Dont forget that accidents can sometimes look like intentionals to players also.

I'm not voicing if I think your case is 'just' or not, just that its possible for these things to happen.

Good luck with it.


...mongol...

'[R-MOD wrote:Mongolian_dude;1434332']
Lots of people are TG supporting members, regardless of their standing or their relationship with the community. With that said, I think it would be poor form for admins to place firmer trust in someone simply because they have the economic flexibility to buy an SM-ship. It would be better form however, for an admin to place more belief in a more familiar, renowned or regular player.It doesnt mean trusted and highly regular players dont lie, however. Dont forget that accidents can sometimes look like intentionals to players also.

I'm not voicing if I think your case is 'just' or not, just that its possible for these things to happen.

Good luck with it.


...mongol...

Thats not what I am saying at all. I don't want special treatment. I don't even care that they banned me in game but all I wanted was a fair honest appeal and I didn't get it. I thought for sure I was going to be atleast treated ethically and maybe I would get shown a tenth of the respect I showed them but I didn't get it. I got told 1 thing I was accused of doing that wouldn't have even got a warning but they said there were other things people said that I did but they won't tell me what or who said these things. Its just lame I am literally in the dark.

All I wanted was a chance to defend myself and be able to call my own defensive witnesses and vouchers to the appeal even though I don't even know what I am accused of other than that 1 thing. I was banned by 1 admin no chance to contact any other admin or speak on my own defence.

EDIT: Let me say this, I'm well aware that admins aren't PAID to invest time or their energy but if you aren't willing to atleast treat someone who is appealing in a very polite and sincere manner like a HUMAN being and not just a seeder on your server and some dollars then you need to step aside to people who do have the energy.

Maybe the admin who should step aside did at one point have desire to help PEOPLE because thats a admins job but maybe he/she is just drained and got to know when to take a break.

You do realise TG has ban appeals. I'm sure if you were to explain your situation in a thought out post, you would have a good chance of getting your ban repealed.

Expatriate Gamer this will be the only time I say this;

The PR team will not, ever, get involved with server administration other than to ensure that the terms of the license agreement are upheld, in so much as the server files remain unmodified.

If you have been banned, go to the Tactical Gamer forums which you must have visted at least once to get SM and appeal your ban there. I assure you it will be looked at.

DO NOT APPEAL YOUR BAN HERE.

'[R-MOD wrote:Jigsaw;1434397']
The PR team will not, ever, get involved with server administration other than to ensure that the terms of the license agreement are upheld, in so much as the server files remain unmodified.

All I am saying is it is a mistake to not have a proper independent place to report admin abuse/mistakes, and the growth of the community will suffer for it.

I'm not naive enough to think that this is even worth typing about or I can change anything but theres my feedback and now I say Good-bye.

Another awesome idea corrupted by the lack of checks and balances.

Expatriate Gamer wrote:All I am saying is it is a mistake to not have a proper independent place to report admin abuse/mistakes, and the growth of the community will suffer for it.

I'm not naive enough to think that this is even worth typing about or I can change anything but theres my feedback and now I say Good-bye.

Another awesome idea corrupted by the lack of checks and balances.

What's your in-game name that is banned?

Expatriate Gamer wrote:I'm not naive enough to think that this is even worth typing about or I can change anything but theres my feedback and now I say Good-bye.

It's not worth it on the PR forums, the MODs have decided they don't want to..work with people on the operation of servers, but I assure you that there are enough admins at TG that you could find a sympathetic party, these guys are very reasonable, even more so when they don't have to make a split second choice on whether you are adversely affecting the quality of play on a server.

Don't let your SM go to waste man!

Expatriate Gamer wrote:All I am saying is it is a mistake to not have a proper independent place to report admin abuse/mistakes, and the growth of the community will suffer for it.

I'm not naive enough to think that this is even worth typing about or I can change anything but theres my feedback and now I say Good-bye.

Another awesome idea corrupted by the lack of checks and balances.

Still waiting on that account name of yours so we can figure out if you really are banned and help you out. Just trying to right this horrible wrong...

Just got kicked for "immature behavior" even though i just asked how saying "moooortaaars" during a enemy mortar strike was taunting.

I didn't get a answer and I think THAT is a bit more immature


otherwise, great rounds today

NyteMyre wrote:Just got kicked for "immature behavior" even though i just asked how saying "moooortaaars" during a enemy mortar strike was taunting.

I didn't get a answer and I think THAT is a bit more immature


otherwise, great rounds today

NyteMyre - bring this up on our Contact an Admin forum to get a conversation going with the admin who kicked you. It could have been an accident (I personally don't know - I wasn't on the server or monitoring CC at the time). I will take a look at the logs to see what happened. In the meantime, per the policies of this forum, any further discussion will have to take place on our forums regarding the kick.

BTW - I've had you in my squads before and you have been a pleasure to fight along side of.

I wasnt sure if I had to bring this up but last night I joined in the end Barracuda, we proceeded to Silent Eagle where the US quickly won by rushing with choppers. Afterwards we got a big angry speech and at least 1 threat from Wickens. (I got told it was him as I did not recognised the voice)

I know we need to go tacticalgamer.com to mention stuff like this but if I go there I will be torn to shreds by him (actual words he used) so... I'd like the protection of this forum to at least get it of my chest. I'm glad I havent purchased a slot yet and went for Supporting Member because after a speech like that, Im not sure I will.

According to him we where always on your forums complaining about teamstacking and now we did the same. And we needed to help the losing side more by switching around because people where just trying to have a good time. I personally never complained about that on any forum since its the general rule: Clans/Admins running a server can do with it as they like. Its a shame I didnt record it really.

But to get a big rant/threat like that in your face from one of the most respected community's is something I wouldnt have expected from TG.

cyberzomby wrote:But to get a big rant/threat like that in your face from one of the most respected community's is something I wouldnt have expected from TG.

Before I start, I was muted on mumble, I only caught the tail end of what Wickens was saying. I heard this part:

cyberzomby wrote:I know we need to go tacticalgamer.com to mention stuff like this but if I go there I will be torn to shreds by him (actual words he used)

But from what I heard his tone was aggressive, he was 'ranting' in the truest sense of the word; basically he lost his rag. Fair enough, sometimes these things happen, we're all human, but its seems it should be acknowledged at the very least.

cyberzomby wrote:I wasnt sure if I had to bring this up but last night I joined in the end Barracuda, we proceeded to Silent Eagle where the US quickly won by rushing with choppers. Afterwards we got a big angry speech and at least 1 threat from Wickens. (I got told it was him as I did not recognised the voice)

I know we need to go tacticalgamer.com to mention stuff like this but if I go there I will be torn to shreds by him (actual words he used) so... I'd like the protection of this forum to at least get it of my chest. I'm glad I havent purchased a slot yet and went for Supporting Member because after a speech like that, Im not sure I will.

According to him we where always on your forums complaining about teamstacking and now we did the same. And we needed to help the losing side more by switching around because people where just trying to have a good time. I personally never complained about that on any forum since its the general rule: Clans/Admins running a server can do with it as they like. Its a shame I didnt record it really.

But to get a big rant/threat like that in your face from one of the most respected community's is something I wouldnt have expected from TG.

Web_cole wrote:Before I start, I was muted on mumble, I only caught the tail end of what Wickens was saying. I heard this part:



But from what I heard his tone was aggressive, he was 'ranting' in the truest sense of the word; basically he lost his rag. Fair enough, sometimes these things happen, we're all human, but its seems it should be acknowledged at the very least.

I'll let Wickens speak for himself in regard to his actions on Mumble. However, I think that the message is important enough so that it should not be lost:

Team balance is an issue that plagues any successful server, be it TG, or any other server that is full all the time. Everyone knows how it works: tags all gather on one side, pubbies on the other through a variety of mechanisms, be it pure, dumb luck or player intent. The end result of this is, quite often, the team with the most tags steamrolls the opponents back to the Stone Age. If it is one round, fine, but after another round or two of it everyone knows what is going on. The real problem is that no one on the winning team does anything about it. They maintain their team cohesion round after round while their helpless opponents suffer through massive rage quits from players who will gladly find another server that gives them more of a fighting chance.

This type of behavior is what kills the server population and creates angry rants from players who suffer through this type of thing night after night. There is a small group of us on TG who will gladly switch sides to attempt to balance the teams, but sadly the key word is small. For a great many, they are simply too lazy or too apathetic to switch to help their opponents, or, as some believe, just too afraid of the possibility of losing a round of PR.

Whatever the case, we - the admins at TG - take this issue very seriously. We deal with it day after day after day from a variety of sources. We are sick to death of having to deal with it because the player base just doesn't give a shit and just want to win, no matter the cost. All of this makes an already difficult job even more difficult because now do you not only have to watch for problems on the server but you also are now 'Cruise Director', responsible for the enjoyment of the other 61 people on your server by trying to decide what a 'balanced' team looks like in terms of skill, leadership, mumble usage, etc. None of these things are readily apparent or tangible, but we're still tasked with trying our best to provide them and are the first ones to catch hell for it when we fail to make every person happy.

This is most likely what caused Wickens' rant, and I'd have to say that I agree with his frustration over it. Should he have lost his temper? Absolutely not. Does that diminish his message or make it less important? Absolutely not.

Guilty party here.

Firstly I wanted to apologise unreservedly for my 'rant' on mumble last night. No excuses, it was unprofessional, unbecoming of a long time member and admin of the TG community and to be fair unlike me. Just a bad day all round for me and I regretted my tone the minute my outburst ended.

Now whilst the manner I chose to deliver my message was extremely poor the message itself still stands. I spend a great deal of time dealing with team balance issues on our server, despite a lot of the problem being beyond my control. I switch to the losing side and encourage others to do so, sadly a minority are willing to help. Many will sit idle on the 'weaker' team waiting to switch to the team with the most 'tags', last night was a particularly bad example. At times we had a numerical imbalance of 3 people because auto-balance couldn't keep up with the teamswitchers, not to mention the clear 'skill' imbalance. 4-5 people sitting idle at times etc. Rounds were lost back to back 200-300 tickets to zero. The weaker team was plagued with 'rage quits' by people that just weren't having any fun at all. Barracuda ended with only me having a positive K/D on my team and that was probably because I joined the game late. The other team had players hitting 40.

This sort of thing destroys server populations and is only enjoyable for one team, it doesn't happen by accident, I sit and watch CC as player after player loads in and flocks to the other team.

Nevertheless, I shouldn't have 'ranted' at the other team, on the back of a bad day I should have just carried on plugging away and hoped people finally came to help.

So sincere apologies, I dislike rudeness in people, I dislike it intensely when I am the culprit. TG is a friendly place and we do care about 'everyone's' playing experience on our server, if you see me around and wish to talk about matters please give me a shout. I promise I am usually much more pleasant, who knows I may even ask you help me balance the teams.

Regards

Wicks

d1sp0sabl3H3r0 wrote:I'll let Wickens speak for himself in regard to his actions on Mumble. However, I think that the message is important enough so that it should not be lost

I agree that the teams probably were stacked, although its not the worst I personally have seen it (at least 7 TG tags on the other side) and yeah, I've left feedback in this very thread about teamstacking myself.

In short, the issue here is not what was said, its how it was said.

Edit: Ninja apology, nm