TOW damage to front armor

[LiamBai]

The argument is always "but if the tank crew is good then [...]".

Why can't the infantry get good?

[sweedensniiperr]

Why can't the infantry get good?

because TOWs are stationary

[viirusiiseli]

because TOWs are stationary

A 2 man LAT team can take a tank down now, shouldn't be too hard provided you have some actual tactical skills in gaming instead of the "must play like real life" way of thinking. It really isn't as hard to kill armor or cas as everyone makes it out to be, those people just lack the will to attempt the tactics that do work.

[sweedensniiperr]

What is this tactic of static TOWs that you speak of then?

[viirusiiseli]

What is this tactic of static TOWs that you speak of then?

dont build in obvious shit spots )

[inb4banned]

dont build in obvious shit spots )

I always use a stealth logi, to build a FOB with stealth shovels, nobody ever knows about it. And I love taking 2 LATs across the desert on Kashan or Khami to take out a tank. TOWs got nerfed so hard when fire delay was added, now a hit doesn't even mean a kill

[fecht_niko]

LiamBai;2155077']The argument is always "but if the tank crew is good then [...]".

Why can't the infantry get good?

Irrelevant stupid post from a prt admin...

Back on topic, Virus has a point with a better tow position. The problem is that the commander can spot the best position with UAV. Also a good driver isn't driving straight from hill to hill.
Being able to lat tanks in the back doesn't work on open maps.
And the most important point: a TOW should be able to defend itself from any ground asset and be a no-go area for tanks. The fire delay nerfed it already...

[PatrickLA_CA]

I always use a stealth logi, to build a FOB with stealth shovels, nobody ever knows about it. And I love taking 2 LATs across the desert on Kashan or Khami to take out a tank. TOWs got nerfed so hard when fire delay was added, now a hit doesn't even mean a kill

This is exactly why it is good now.

Communicate and don't work alone. Don't take 2 LATs across the desert. Take a squad. Take GTLD. Take a squad radio.

[gwa1hir]

so many posts dont make sense still. can a mod plz answer to my request and close this? its ridiculous

[Frontliner]

Just because you're not getting your way? How about no?

[rPoXoTauJIo]

Could it be better if we would have TOW kit instead of emplacement?(drop like bag in place) Kinda like siryan videas, they setting them up to fire through some hole even while tank watching at them.

[Jacksonez__]

Could it be better if we would have TOW kit instead of emplacement?(drop like bag in place) Kinda like siryan videas, they setting them up to fire through some hole even while tank watching at them.

you would need 3-5 men / a vehicle to carry the parts, so I'd stick with crates+placement. In theory TOW could be mobile on inf soldier but in reality it's not.

[viirusiiseli]

I think what would help TOWs a bit is reintroducing 0.98 style sounds to vehicles, so you can actually hear them from further away like you used to. Can't even hear a tank that's right next to you these days without some audio tweaks

[gwa1hir]

Just because you're not getting your way? How about no?

do you even read? seriously what the hell is wrong with you recently frontliner?
or were you alwlays llike that?

[Frontliner]

Yes, I do read. That's why I noticed how you went from "Let's discuss this" to "I'm facing some people with opposing opinions, kill the discussion".

As I said, I've only been forced to hit the frontal armour on a tank twice by now, one month and a half into 1.4's release. I must've not met these "good armour crews" then which you guys refer to all the time. I also said that both times my team was utterly braindead and refused to do anything against the tank that was going to show up.
None of you addressed this.
I offered, seeing the damage values, a return of the second HAT kit since it's apparently not possible to oneshot an enemy tank even in the rear.
None of you addressed this.
I said that I find the current values way too low and would like to see a damage buff in the about 40-45% range to discourage head-on attacks and make them riskier.
None of you addressed this.

And you dare ask me if I read? When you dodged every single point I made? Seriously?

[gwa1hir]

Yes, I do read. That's why I noticed how you went from "Let's discuss this" to "I'm facing some people with opposing opinions, kill the discussion".

yeah sure i create a feedback thread just to get mad about opposing feedback. you totally got me frontliner!

the kill the discussion part comes mainly from posts like dogactual makes, which are completely delusional, in other ways offensive and mainly just BS.
either that or some other delusional stuff about weird, extremely situational teamplay solutions which are never gonna work in an average game of PR on any server nowadays.
"everything is fine" is being chanted by most people like nothing changed.
"oh in my personal experience everything is fine because one day a tank drove past me like a blind old mad man and i fired in his back which proofs everything is fine."
and people like dogactual think the lack of chatspam of people crying on servers about tanks and tows is an indicator of balance.
MISSING CHATSPAMMING WHINERS AS PROOF OF BALACNE.
yeah HOW DARE me asking to close this ridiculousness.
and thats why i asked you if you didnt read.. not that you didnt read my stuff, i meant the ridiculousness that makes this thread a joke. like the stuff i just mentioned

As I said, I've only been forced to hit the frontal armour on a tank twice by now, one month and a half into 1.4's release. I must've not met these "good armour crews" then which you guys refer to all the time. I also said that both times my team was utterly braindead and refused to do anything against the tank that was going to show up.
None of you addressed this.

look at which people are driving the tanks in an average game nowadays?its not that hard to not face good tank crews.
but is that an argument for balance in general?
"not many good players left, so it doesnt matter right?"
and almost all teams right now are utterly braindead which is another reason why all those delusional situational teamplay solutions make no sense. same goes for you "tow is a backup for your own teams tank" solution. there are so many factors why such a thing would not work most of the times and you know it yourself.

I offered, seeing the damage values, a return of the second HAT kit since it's apparently not possible to oneshot an enemy tank even in the rear.
None of you addressed this.

HOW has this anything to do with the topic????hey i offer you a solution thats like "lets talk about a different asset and fix it with that"
why would anybody adress this ?

I said that I find the current values way too low and would like to see a damage buff in the about 40-45% range to discourage head-on attacks and make them riskier.
None of you addressed this.

what do you want here from us?? thats basically what all concerned people here wrote. that the damage has to be increased again. what do you mean here by not addressed? i can give you a pad on the back if you want.

well and here i ask again if someone can finally close my thread since its not relevant. everything is fine. i didnt read any chatspam on servers about unbalance so it must be true.
this here got out of hand and leads to nowhere. and despite that the devs do what they want anyway, this thread wont change that. thats not an offence by the way since its the devs god-given right to do so as creators of this mod and i respect that

CLOSE PLEASE MINERAL OR ANYBODY

[Frontliner]

yeah sure i create a feedback thread just to get mad about opposing feedback. you totally got me frontliner!

Not my fault it sounds like you are. I'm fine either way, whether I get what I propose or not.

the kill the discussion part comes mainly from posts like dogactual makes, which are completely delusional, in other ways offensive and mainly just BS.
either that or some other delusional stuff about weird, extremely situational teamplay solutions which are never gonna work in an average game of PR on any server nowadays.

It takes one person to man a TOW and another one to pick up a LAT or HAT positioned in a smart way to either kill or seriously maim the tank. In what world is that considered outstanding teamplay?
If you can't get your fellow teammates to do just that then they deserve to get their butt fucked by assets until they learn. I took comfort in knowing that I had no other option but to do as much damage as I could to these two tanks, the blame goes to the rest of the team/whoever was close and decided not to help despite me asking.

look at which people are driving the tanks in an average game nowadays?its not that hard to not face good tank crews.
but is that an argument for balance in general?
"not many good players left, so it doesnt matter right?"
and almost all teams right now are utterly braindead which is another reason why all those delusional situational teamplay solutions make no sense. same goes for you "tow is a backup for your own teams tank" solution. there are so many factors why such a thing would not work most of the times and you know it yourself.

Look, nice you put words into my mouth but the fact remains that with just a little bit of teamplay you can crack an enemy Tank without one of your own. PR has always been trying to put an emphasis on teamplay, why it's such a shock to you that TOWs now need teamwork to make them work against Tanks is beyond me.

I'm stressing the fact that it's happened to me only twice since they update because it's not a prevalent problem whatsoever. For every TOW missile hit on frontal armour I've seen them get hit by LATs more often in return. I know this could've easily lead to abuse but so far it doesn't, and even despite the added protection I'll always be careful if I want to engage a TOW.

HOW has this anything to do with the topic????hey i offer you a solution thats like "lets talk about a different asset and fix it with that"
why would anybody adress this ?

Because PR is a game with a rich arsenal of weapons and methods to choose from. I'm keeping an eye on the whole picture. If something doesn't work, you use something else, and if that doesn't work either, you combine them. Simple.
I see that HATs are now currently underpowered, and I believe that with the AT emplacements nerfed like that it'd be just fair to give something back to the Infantry, 2 LATs killing a tank in the rear is all good an well, but no infantry squad has two with them(the LAT with 2 rounds lack the damage) so I see that as a bit of a concern.

what do you want here from us?? thats basically what all concerned people here wrote. that the damage has to be increased again. what do you mean here by not addressed? i can give you a pad on the back if you want.

It would look a bit silly if I were to wear a pad on my back

No, I was asking for a slight damage increase in combination with other changes and just a bit of teamwork.Not a damage increase by three times.

All I hear from you is "There is no teamwork in PR anymore." "This kind of amazing teamplay doesn't exist." "So delusional to think you'd see teamplay of that caliber in PR". If you so want to believe in that so damn hard, go ahead. But I have gotten help plenty of times, even recently, so I, with all due respect, beg to differ.

[Mineral]

Can I for the last time ask not to make feedback on a videogame a personal fight? THX

[gwa1hir]

It would look a bit silly if I were to wear a pad on my back

this tells all about you.making fun of a typo. you are not worth one more word here.

[gwa1hir]

Can I for the last time ask not to make feedback on a videogame a personal fight? THX

can u please lock my thread? yes? i ask for the 3rd time now