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Yea, I know, Hesco-like constructions are old. My question remains though, it a structure similar to the Hesco used in for example China. (I guess the answer is yes but I would love to know)

^I think NATO uses Hesco a lot.

Yea, but besides Nato

I find this tread to be more of a military discussion then an actual Bf: pr discussion (suggestion). Hescos would slow down the gameplay way to much in my opinion. I'm very sure that hesco deployment will be available in arma2: pr, that's also an other reason why Bf: PR doesn't need deployable Hescos, arma will take care of that. Who would want to spend a round digging when it easily can be destroyed the second after... (unless you guys want Hescos to be non destroyable, which is just, well...)

If the developers make places to place hescos on the maps, players who use Hescos will be limited to a few places. This would make every map like the other, there would be barely any variation. Pr on the Bf engine is more of an arcade reality game then what pr can be with the arma engine.

I don't see how a logi truck cannot deploy a 4-block hesco wall.

Or at least a special "crate" so someone can request it and it is built instantly.

Sadly this ain't minecraft and building stuff is very difficult to do with the engine. I don't think the hescos would have any advantage whatsoever over the current foxhole. Okay, a bit larger; but thus also harder to properly deploy.

Spec_Operator wrote:Sadly this ain't minecraft and building stuff is very difficult to do with the engine. I don't think the hescos would have any advantage whatsoever over the current foxhole. Okay, a bit larger; but thus also harder to properly deploy.

i would say, if hescos do are stronger and far more resistent that a sandbag from a fox hole, it,s really worthy the pay in the neck.

question is, it is? i hope so.

HAAN4 wrote:i would say, if hescos do are stronger and far more resistent that a sandbag from a fox hole, it,s really worthy the pay in the neck.

question is, it is? i hope so.

sorry??

Hitman.2.5 wrote:sorry??

HAAN4 wrote:i would say, if hescos do are stronger and far more resistent that a sandbag from a fox hole, it,s really worthy the pay in the neck.

question is, it is? i hope so.

There you go.









(lol)
Seriously though, he meant to say a "Hesco Barrier", if more resistant than a foxhole, is worthwhile. I agree. Some extra protection for, say, mortar pits wouldn't hurt...

He's saying that if HESCO barriers are much more resistant against common types of damage in PR (mainly heavy gunfire and explosives), than foxholes are, it'd be worth adding them. The question would be, however, whether HESCO barriers are indeed safer than digging a foxhole, or just larger.

e: Ninja'd.

Spec_Operator wrote:He's saying that if HESCO barriers are much more resistant against common types of damage in PR (mainly heavy gunfire and explosives), than foxholes are, it'd be worth adding them. The question would be, however, whether HESCO barriers are indeed safer than digging a foxhole, or just larger.

e: Ninja'd.

Tradution English to English, ummmm that explain many times why i am hated not for what i say but how i say.

Spec_Operator wrote:He's saying that if HESCO barriers are much more resistant against common types of damage in PR (mainly heavy gunfire and explosives), than foxholes are, it'd be worth adding them. The question would be, however, whether HESCO barriers are indeed safer than digging a foxhole, or just larger.

e: Ninja'd.

a fox hole will always be safer than a hesco complex. Artillery shells can land on the wrong side of the wall and kill you, but no matter what side of the foxhole it lands on it cant hurt you unless it's pretty much a direct hit. A hesco complex can be knocked down or destroyed by large shells hitting them directly, a fox hole is the ground itself, it can collapse and be destroyed but is a lot harder to hit and will take a lot more punishment than a hesco.

hesco's are designed to protect against fire from small arms at the same altitude or lower, stop people and vehicles, protect against shells which land on the other side. the amount of protection you can get from them alone (using only hesco's to build a defense) is very limited.

Hesco barriers are a replacement in the modern day for large trench systems which were part of an FOB (real life FOB not in game ones) it is only feasible on on the modern battlefield against insurgencies and the like. Within a conventional war i'd expect the brass to use hesco's only as reinforcements within an entrenchment. a real assault with an airstrike or even a tank would knock the hesco walls down like jenga blocks. how much damage it would take would be of course dependent on the fill material.

all i'm saying is i'd rather dig a hole for myself then just a hesco wall. if a portion of my hole collapses i can re dig it while under fire safely too. and of course i can always dig deeper.

pros and cons of each are obvious of course, speed and level of threat being the main factors in deciding which you want.

Are you suggesting a pile of sandbags is safer against "direct hit" weapons than dirt-filled Hesco barriers?

goguapsy wrote:Are you suggesting a pile of sandbags is safer against "direct hit" weapons than dirt-filled Hesco barriers?

what? no. i'm saying a trench/foxhole is. That last post is unrelated to my previous posts. That one was specifically to answer the question that was asked by HAAN4 "is a hesco safer than a fox hole?"

"is a hesco safer than a foxhole?" probably not. but a mixture of both would be far superior to just foxholes and see through wire. but even a sandbag wall would be better then nothing.

deployables must be really hard to make...? just assuming because they are really awesome yet there are so few.

They aren't really used that often tbh. Especially these barrier thingies we already have. My main concern with them: Often they're either too large to close a small entrance to a compound properly, or they're too small to cover a large area. If you could place individual HESCO blocks; awesome. But we'd need PR:Minecraft for that to work properly, the BF engine just sucks at building things.

I'm pretty sure they filled up the Hesco Barriers by hand in "Restrepo".

I am pretty sure they hand filled sandbags in Restrepo

Yes, but that's because they were in a hill with no convenient support.

AND they were getting shot/returning fire from time to time.