Aggressive Tactics Not Working

[Akiba101]

Been playing PR for about 1 year now and as i've moved from server to server and playing in a certain way for this time lately, i find that the aggressive tactics that i use in both close quarters and when organizing squads have began to fail me as of late leading to poor performances on my part and frustration as i not only let myself down but also the team

I was just wondering how other people manage to strike that balance between attacking flags but staying alive in the process -_- and was just wondering if anyone could suggest formations squad coordination tactics e.g fire team suppression and moving etc. I say this because essentially the tried and tested method of tard rushing tends to fail now a days and finding a defensible position to move up to a flag has been quite difficult so just any tips in general would be useful in regards to movements or assaulting a defended flag or position

[ComradeHX]

Aggressive tactic in CQB that involves charging forward = bad.

Aggressive tactic in CQB that involves charging forward from behind the enemy = good.

Tard rush from the front = bad.

Tard rush from behind the enemy = good.

See what I did there?

Just flank the enemy.

[Mongolian_dude]

After playing PR for many years, I've seen both mod and player evolve. I personally dont condone an aggressive assault with anything less than two inter-dependant squads of infantry on a flag defended by 5 men or more.
Get on a server with a (willing to SL) buddy and roll in force.


...mongol...

[=Romagnolo=]

In PR the best defence is, in fact, the defence itself

[Spec]

Well... Some of the best players would disagree. It comes down to skill at one point. If you're good, a fast, aggressive play style will be most efficient. It's also most prone to mistakes, so less experienced players do better in a defensive position.

There's no clear winner here. It depends on how you play best. I'm personally a patient person, but lacking twitch skills. So I tend to prefer taking it slow. That doesn't need to be sitting at a flag or single building, but I prefer to sneak up to the enemy and attack them when they don't expect it instead of a direct confrontation. I tend to get shot in those

[Rudd]

a frontal assault does tend to fail in PR unless the attackers have got vastly superior firepower and actually use it

(e.g a tank is with you, but he doesnt just shoot at targets he sees, he suppresses and fires upon likely locations too)

thats the big thing imo, being willing to actually use suppressive fire - you tell a player "lay down suppressive fire upon position X" at least 1/3 times the player will just sit there and wait for the enemy to come out, when what you needed was the person to engage that position to discourage the enemy from its use.

there is also teh scope/ironsite dynamic, if you have too many scopes then your long range killing power is good, but your close range is bad - so if your going to attack a position you better kiill them before you arrive

[Killer2354]

If you want to be aggressive with a squad against squad battle, flank the enemy! Keep one or two of your men to keep their attention while the rest of you flank to the side, staying out of sight until literally right on top of them.

I did this in Yamalia on the Russian side, stabbing entire squads in the back with my bayonet because I was able to out flank them while the rest of the squad fired at them/ moved up. If you are a lone soldier doing forward work for your squad, always flank the targets; never go straight at them. If you do it correctly, you should be able to take out people trying to build an FOB by yourself, destroy it, and slip away in the shadows, not being spotted. If you're lucky, you could hide UNDER their apc while you shoot one bullet at infantry, to watch them try to find you and walk past you. (I did this all. Trust me, IT WORKS. Just ask Forrest)

[maniac1031]

Omg Akiba asking for help to to be honest all you need is me in your squad Akiba. But in all seriousness take your time clear the enemy slowly but carefully if you loose one guy but kill a squad you can just get that last guy up

[Dev1200]

suggest formations squad coordination tactics e.g fire team suppression and moving etc.

Formations = Failure. They don't do shit.



All you need to do, is flank. Speed is a huge factor. Use mortars, use CAS. Nades. Grapples.

Irons ftw.

[Eddiereyes909]

If you aren't charging with your pistol your attack will fail.

[L4gi]

I disagree. Aggressive tactics are the best of the best of the best, sir!

[Triggerfinger]

This is because PR doesn't have the feature where you get two glasses of vodka 10 minutes before the battle, no aggressive offensive can be correct without alcohol in IRL.

On topic; it worked for me sometimes, but it's hard and you have to be very skilled, have a good team and some luck. But don't mind it doing with only infantry, it's useless most of the time.
Also higher/lower ground is important.

Though, there are some tricks you can use, many forget the smoke/frag grenade launchers and LATs wich are very usefull in assaulting.
Let me take Operation Archer for example (of my own gameplay), many times there was a cache in the little village near the Airport.
The Canadians were good organized and they risked to assault from the north in the L and M column, if you look to the map it's nothing but hills and open fields, they had SAW gunners and snipers/marksmen settled up in the fortress and all around the hills.

Superior firepower. [x] Chek

There were about three full squads assaulting. 3x M249 gunners, this makes 15 active assaulters of wich let's say also 3x grenadiers supporting the whole group by just shooting smoke grenades.
Now this is something important; when shooting smoke grenades, you have to shoot AT the enemy, not between the enemy and you, nor near you.

Anyway, it's a long story, but the Canadians that round were harsh and won quickly, though we also had a very good team.

[Nixy23]

If you aren't charging with your pistol your attack will fail.

If you aren't charging with your bayonet your attack will fail.

[Cheditor]

Alot of people try to put real life tactics and formations etc into PR which in my opinion rarely work, with the exception of basic tactics. One squad can easily out gun and manoeuvre a large force by simply having 2-3 members (AR and medic mainly) to sit back and just open fire and push the rest of the squad up the flank and just trying to close the gap and get into CQB asap. Being aggressive usually puts other players off their toes and surprises them. Especially when they hear shooting as they generally forget to cover anything apart from where your other squad is.

[Nehil]

Movement and speed is always the key. Keep the pressure up, don't let the enemy organize any resistance.

Far too often I see people trying to out-entrench an enemy defensive position. It won't work in almost all cases against a somewhat skilled opposition.

Unless you are dedicated fire support those legs should be moving and those wheels were made to roll. When you attack, don't set up in a house and stop moving. You will lose momentum, the element of surprise, and the enemy will start prepairing. If you keep the pressure on you will outflank, confuse and surprise your enemy.

Fire and maneuver.

[Mongolian_dude]

Formations = Failure. They don't do shit.



All you need to do, is flank. Speed is a huge factor. Use mortars, use CAS. Nades. Grapples.

Irons ftw.

Not true. The basic tactical aspect of a squad is that it must be aware of its surroundings and change its formation accordingly. In PR, "Wedge formation" is a bit much to ask of non-vet squads, and even then most are reluctant.

However, simple spacing precaution is vital.

Assuming you only have one squad and are assaulting a position, your support team (those that do the supressing) will need to be spread out into a crude line formation; where their spacing means that the enemy will not be able to concentrate their own fire onto a single point to render your support team useless.
The assault team may wish to do something similar, as they will typically have less cover and be subject to fire and indirect fire and will be required to spread out. A large target is an attractive target.

In an urban environment, assaulting squads make the mistake of running along a single side of the street in a tight column, where they can be rendered combat-ineffective but a single hand grenade. Stagger, STAY SPREAD, you dont have to sprint all the time.
If two of your soldiers are being killed immediately by the same gunman/explosion, then the spacing is poor.


...mongol...

[Dr Rank]

If you aren't charging with your pistol your attack will fail.

x2

All you need is a nine.

Aggression works, whether its an aggressive assault or defense. But you still have to be very mindful of what's going on on the battlefield. Just mindlessly charging around going "RAWR!!!" will usually not get you anywhere. I always use aggression, I hate sitting around waiting, if you're not being aggressive and pro-active you are putting yourself on the back foot imo. When you do get attacked you're mind won't be as on edge and ready to think fast if you're passively defending an area/'wondering' around the map. Drills can help keep your mind in the game, just making sure you're always using effective squad movement, covering corners etc. I enjoy squad leading as it really helps sharpen that focus. I'm rusty as hell at the moment (too much time spent in the editor) but I'll be back in the game soon

[Kwalc297]

Akiba, aggressive tactics do succeed if you plan it correctly. You can plan a lot, but a lot of times it comes down to your squad members skill level. As a sqd leader you have to guess the skill lvl of your members and think what they could handle. If you go rushing for example with players that arent that experienced or skilled it won't end up good for you.

It also has to do on where you rush to, how many infantry your enemy has on that area. your sqd is gonna have to cover angles, flanks, stairs etc etc. They have to know how to cover and not die.

In the end, if you rush their first or 2nd on some maps, you're just gonna have to hold on to the spot until your team comes to help you out. youre not going to be able to hold it forever because their team is just going to keep assaulting you.

[Cassius]

Fall back to advance. Sounds weird but it works. If you make contact, move your squad someplace its has an edge, that can mean falling back behind a ridgeline or into a building. The enemy will try and score kills and you should be able to pick him off easily that way and eventually drive him away.

Of course that does not work all the time. If all your assets are down and the enemy is coming in with cas and armor its pretty much a done deal.

[Gracler]

The only time Ive seen a formation work was when sweeping a Forrest with a Line formation finding a hiding enemy.

Keep spacing at all times is more like logic thinking not a formation tactic.

Also "always flank" works most of the time but not always imo.

example.

You come from your previous flag and enter the enemy position and find that the enemy has 1 big building with few gunning position opportunity. Leave your SAW gunner behind and let him suppress those few positions and move in head on instead of flanking and having to watch for a lot more firing positions.

The environment dictates if flanking is a good thing. It only takes one "aware" Automatic Rifleman" to mess up your entire flanking outmaneuver if the environment is against you.

The biggest mistake I see when people use aggressive tactics in PR is that even though they say...GO GO GO ATTACK NOW RUSH IT......as soon as 1 of the 6 soldiers gets shot all focus is lost and all attention is aimed at getting this 1 soldier up. If you want to assault......assault until your down to 1 man...otherwise your not assaulting..your advancing like a turtle.

All assaults are a risky business so you have to bet everything in order to make it a success....sometimes you lose that bet....sometimes you win the game by doing it.