Soft Fire Capability

[Ugly Duck]

Of the 2 shoulder fired anti-tank missles in BF2, the Predator and Eryx, both have a soft fire capability. Soft fire is for use in urban areas where back blast is a concern. The missle is ejected and propelled about 5 meters ahead of the launch tube before the primary motor is fired and it is sent to its target.

BF2 includes alternate fire modes, IE auto/burst/semi. The anti tank missiles could use this function to switch between normal firing and soft firing.

PS. Why do the MEC and Chinese have the Eryx? It's a Canadian missile, and I doubt the Canadians would be selling them away in a war between the US/Britain and the Chinese/MEC!

[Beckwith]

thats a good querstion why not give them an rpg-22 or -29

[Eddie Baker]

Of the 2 shoulder fired anti-tank missles in BF2, the Predator and Eryx, both have a soft fire capability. Soft fire is for use in urban areas where back blast is a concern. The missle is ejected and propelled about 5 meters ahead of the launch tube before the primary motor is fired and it is sent to its target.

BF2 includes alternate fire modes, IE auto/burst/semi. The anti tank missiles could use this function to switch between normal firing and soft firing.

PS. Why do the MEC and Chinese have the Eryx? It's a Canadian missile, and I doubt the Canadians would be selling them away in a war between the US/Britain and the Chinese/MEC!

Interesting idea, we may have to look into that. The Predator and Eryx may not stay the default US and Chinese/MEC AT weapons, though.

As to why the Eryx, EA put it in there so that the sides would be more equal in capability. It has been purchased by an "undisclosed member of the Gulf Co-operation Council [Bahrain, Kuwait, Oman, Qatar, Saudi Arabia and United Arab Emirates]" but not China. It's not really the same kind of weapon as the Predator, which is intended to be issued like the M136/AT4, as a disposable light anti-armor weapon to individual soldiers in a rifle squad. They also have different types of guidance; Eryx is SACLOS wire-guided, and Predator is "fire-and-forget" inertia-guided.

thats a good querstion why not give them an rpg-22 or -29

RPG-22/26 wouldn't be appropriate for a "full-time" anti-armor soldier as it is a disposable light anti-armor weapon. RPG-29 has not seen any real buyers outside of Russia, mainly because RPG-7 users (and there are tons) are able to get the same hitting power in the PG-7VR rounds without having to procure a new system.

[m0ldym1lk]

Could soft-fire in some way add to the gameplay, or is it a cosmetic effect? I don't get how it could add unless backblasts actually hurt infantry.

[Ugly Duck]

For a full time anti-tank role, the Javelin would be a more suitable weapon for use by both the US and UK forces. It also includes the soft-launch feature, so that would not be of concern. Now knowing that the Eryx is so widely exported, it would make sense as the MEC anti-tank weapon. I'm not so sure about the Chinese though, but what other alternatives are there?

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Backblast should be incorperated into the game, if it is not already. While the soft fire would be usefull for urban areas, the small delay before launch would make it less desirable in open areas where a normal launch would be safe. So it would have its ups and downs.

[m0ldym1lk]

So with soft fire, you won't kill any buddies around you, but your rocket wont get to its target nearly as fast, making it critical for those split-second situations. On the other hand, a normal fire would get the rocket there quickly, but might kill a friendly or two. Decent trade-off?

[Eddie Baker]

For a full time anti-tank role, the Javelin would be a more suitable weapon for use by both the US and UK forces. It also includes the soft-launch feature, so that would not be of concern. Now knowing that the Eryx is so widely exported, it would make sense as the MEC anti-tank weapon. I'm not so sure about the Chinese though, but what other alternatives are there?

We would like to include Javelin for the AT class ATGM, yes. However, the UK will not be fielding it until later this year or early next year. Right now they use the Milan III, which is tripod rather than shoulder launched.

Eryx hasn't been proliferated to all of those Gulf Cooperation Council states, just one of them, as yet unknown. It's also used by Canada, France (the two states who co-produced it), Norway, Brazil and Malaysia.

As for China, they don't really have a truly man-portable (over long distances) ATGM. The HJ-8L is a bit similar to the Milan in size and function, carried disassembled from a parent vehicle by a two-man firing section. For infantry squad / platoon level support they have the Type 69 (RPG-7) and FHJ-84, both of which are reusable anti-armor / assault launchers. The latter is a twin-barrel rocket launcher used exclusively by paratroopers and special operations forces; not much information available other than caliber (62mm).

[Tactical Advantage]

Man I love the Javalin, it took out all the tanks that our air support couldnt get in Iraq, all two of them.

[Tactical Advantage]

You watch Mail Call to Solo

[Tactical Advantage]

Ohh ya, R Lee Ermy, lol.

[snipurs]

hes the bomb. did any one see the flag jacket eposode where he shots the **** out of the flak jacket. awsome episode

[Figisaacnewton]

That was freakin awesome. Now, i really understand how nerfed the BFV ones are...

Now, why do MEC and China have Eryx? Basically, DICE is retarted. They needed a missle of equal capability of the predator (whose own realism is debatlable), so they decided one of our main allies ally would be the one selling to the enemy....right....

I say LAWs, AT4s, and RPGs for everyone.

[Ugly Duck]

BF2 is set in the near future. 2010'ish I think. So for that time frame it would make sense for the UK to have the Javelin. That double barreled thing is kinda fubared. Does russia have any shoulder fired AT missiles that China might be able to get a hold of?

Also, while we're on the subject of AT missiles. I've been watching some videos and the way they work is just... fubar. For starters you should have to be stopped and actualy aiming them to be fired. And the reload needs to be a lot slower, not this 5 second stuff where the guy uses one hand and puts the tube in place while running. Of course as a payoff they would have their true power, most modern AT rockets disable or kill in one hit.

As for AT-4's. Those are not meant for an anti-tank role. Those are for regualr infantry just in case they see a tank. The Javelin and Eryx are more suitable for the AT role in this case. As for distribution, 5 years seems long enough to get a good # of missiles shipped over sea's to those who will be recieving them.

[Eddie Baker]

Now, why do MEC and China have Eryx? Basically, DICE is retarted. They needed a missle of equal capability of the predator (whose own realism is debatlable), so they decided one of our main allies ally would be the one selling to the enemy....right....

Actually, it is not that far-fetched. France is and has been a major proliferator of military hardware; Mirage fighters, Roland SAMs, AMX series tanks, etc. US corporations even sell to China; hell, the PLA is also flying a squadron of S-70 Blackhawks and evaluating a knock-off of the HMMWV.

There wouldn't be LAW's anymore for U.S., but there would be SMAW's and AT-4's for sure.

Funny you should say that, as I recently learned that a product-improved version of the M72 LAW is being acquired in limited quantities for use in Iraq, because it is lighter than the M136/AT-4 and collapsible.

Also, the 75th Ranger Regiment and other US special operations forces use the M3 RAAWS (Carl Gustav M3 84mm recoilless rifle) in the same role that the Marines use the SMAW. The "Goose" or "Charlie G" is something the UK forces used up until the 1980s. Seems like everything old is new again.

BF2 is set in the near future. 2010'ish I think. So for that time frame it would make sense for the UK to have the Javelin. That double barreled thing is kinda fubared. Does russia have any shoulder fired AT missiles that China might be able to get a hold of?

Keep in mind that we may not always be setting PR in the default BF2 timeline; remember, we're not including the Eurofighter Typhoon for the UK forces.

The AT-7/AT-13 "Saxhorn" (SACLOS wire-guided) can be shoulder launched if necessary, but is most often fired from a light tripod-mount. We're trying to get away from EAs "clone balancing," so while there may sometimes be a technology gap between opposing forces, there will be other advantages or disadvantages that balance things out.

[CobraPhantom]

RPGs make my mouth water. I just love the classic RPG-7

[Tactical Advantage]

I saw one where he used claymore mines on a flak jacket, but i forget about the one your saying. When the claymore went off the flak jacked flew into a tree

I saw that one to, and about every single other one, poor dumby in the flack jacket...

Did anyone see the one where they were tested the airburst round in the OICW on the little plywood shack with dumbies in it