Low FPS overall on good equipment

[samthegreat4]

Hey guys,

I've been playing for some time and I wondered about my low FPS back then. I forgot about it and just played the game. But now I reinstalled win7 64bit because of my new graphics card: a HD6950 2GB flashed to a 6970 clocked at 6970 speeds, and I'm again wondering about that low FPS. My CPU is a Phenom 2 x4 920 @ 2.8 Ghz (can overclock it to 3.0 Ghz or something, ran that way before the new win7 install but didn't make a lot of difference; also my CPU load is never really high, didn't go above 25 or something in the 126 fools road I just played, even not in the 126 player server) and I got 4GB of RAM.

My GPU load is really neglectable. I monitored it within GPU-z while playing 126 Fools Road for some 15 minutes and I really stood perplex: around 24% load. I thought that maybe my card was underclocking itself but it didn't, it ran at the normal load speeds (880 and 1375 Mhz).

I'm running all high with no AA (I'm trying 8x AA for more GPU load as we speak..).
Can someone finally help me get rid of the laughable 30 to 90 FPS (it was 90 when walking around at the british base in Fools Road, it slowly began decreasing as I walked down the road and finally when I jumped into a jeep with some guys and arrived at the objective it was around 30-40 and stayed like that for most of the time..)?

Greets,

Sam

EDIT:
jumped on a Fallujah West server, monitored my load. GPU load is still around 24%... but: when I zoom in through a sniper scope I get a superduper-major FPS boost. Goes from around 30-40 fps to 70-80 fps. At those times my GPU load also increased drastically to around 70/90%.

This is my CPU load after some running around and sniping and getting shot in Fallujah West. In the screenshot you can see I just minimalised.


DOUBLE EDIT:
I just compared 0x AA with 8x AA in exactly the same spot standing at the Supply Crate in the USMC base in Fallujah West. 0x AA = 6 or so FPS less than with 8x AA .. :')

[samthegreat4]

Anyone some help please ?

[BloodyDeed]

Hows your performance in other games?
Your FPS are indeed a bit low compared to similar system but would be interesting if you are able to run other games well.
So we can eliminate some hardware problems.

[samthegreat4]

Hows your performance in other games?
Your FPS are indeed a bit low compared to similar system but would be interesting if you are able to run other games well.
So we can eliminate some hardware problems.

Performance in other games is alright
I'm running Battlefield Bad Company 2 on all high with HBAO and 4x AA and my average FPS is around 55 or 60 or something (with a max of 80 and a minimum of 40 I think).
Furthermore: In CoD4 (even though I never play it :lol with everything maxed and 4x AA I'm getting an average of 80/100 FPS I think.

In Napoleon Total War my performance overall isn't very good but not really shitty. But that's just the unoptimised game (or so I've heard).

Hm, lets see what we got more:
The mod for Mount and Blade Warband, Mount and Musket Battalion, runs pretty good with everything maxed on a server with a lot of people. I limited it on 65 FPS. But I don't think this game is really representable..

[samthegreat4]

Nothing useful in here?
I would really like PR to make use of my PC.

[mattnett1]

Here is basic tips you should have in mind.

-You should NOT have anything else running
EXCEPT: Capturing Program(if you use it), mumble, teamspeak, and the game itself
What you should NOT have running: Security Scanner, internet programs, updating programs.


-Do not set settings to high if you are in popular servers
Why? Because this reduces lag if you are on 64/64 or 128 player servers.
UNLESS: You have a high powered PC

-Do not press 10 controls at once
Why? This can effect gameplay, i did this once and believe me you wanna shoot your self if you do this.


But you do have a decent system. I dont' see why you have bad FPS. Unless you are randomly shooting RPG's at once.

EDIT!!!!

Try other games with HIGHER graphics then BF2. BF2 is a pretty old game. I don't see why your system is bogging down.

[Anazuke]

I've been playing for some time and I wondered about my low FPS back then. I forgot about it and just played the game. But now I reinstalled win7 64bit because of my new graphics card

You had the same CPU back then? BF2 R is not very GPU heavy game, instead it's very CPU heavy due to old game-engine. Atleast this is the case in my experience, i had GTX460 and Q9550 few months back, now i have i5 2500k and the performance increase was just massive, even with the same GPU. It's your CPU that's letting you down.

[MaSSive]

Might be that something aint right with flash you did on your vid card? Also 30-90 FPS is what I have and its not really that bad and I have AIIX2 250 @3Ghz 4GB DDR2800 and a GTS450/512MB

Try tweaking video settings a bit I know pushing it all to high is NOT a solution for this game simply casue of outdated engine runing on new piece of hardware.

Ive noticed that lowering or turning off dynamic light and all that dynamic things helps a bit, and one more thing, Ive noticed radeons work much better as you push AA up while nvidias performance drops ( in this game ) if you push AA.

[samthegreat4]

Might be that something aint right with flash you did on your vid card? Also 30-90 FPS is what I have and its not really that bad and I have AIIX2 250 @3Ghz 4GB DDR2800 and a GTS450/512MB

Try tweaking video settings a bit I know pushing it all to high is NOT a solution for this game simply casue of outdated engine runing on new piece of hardware.

Ive noticed that lowering or turning off dynamic light and all that dynamic things helps a bit, and one more thing, Ive noticed radeons work much better as you push AA up while nvidias performance drops ( in this game ) if you push AA.

Yeah, but I have better rig than you and still oftentimes low FPS. I'm running mostly high and some settings medium (dynamic shadows and lightning) and 2x AA on 1920*1200.

Theres nothing wrong with the flash I did on my videocard, works in every other game just fine. And I already tried it before I did the flash, same FPS. When I zoom in though I get a HUUGEEE FPS boost. Normally on my previous PC I would get a FPS drop..

I'm running my CPU on 3.01 Ghz now, don't know what it could be.

[MaSSive]

Hmm try basic stuff...delete shaders and profiles? Guess you know how to do that?

C:\Users\USERNAME\Documents\Battlefield 2\mods\bf2\cache - delete all in subfolders

C:\Users\USERNAME\Documents\Battlefield 2\LogoCache - applies to above, safely delete

C:\Users\USERNAME\Documents\Battlefield 2\Profiles - delete all profiles and note that you will have to retrieve your account(s) after this by using email address and password

Things you might do also - check if you have latest MB/VGA drivers, check your system for any malware, check if your firewall/AV isnt blocking anything, don't use ATI CCC /remove it if you don't really need it, check if you have any OSD servers ( evga osd...etc )

BF2 R is at last not only CPU heavy its also dependent on complete system performance including memory bandwidth, latency..etc

When all this is done start game, and before going to server alt+tab to desktop and start task manager right click on bf2.exe in processes tab, and select Set Affinity... uncheck all cores except one.

Also there is a cap on max fps in bf2. To unlock join a server press "~" to open console and type "game.lockfps 0"

I exhausted my resources with this I believe. Good luck!

[Psyrus]

Yeah, but I have better rig than you and still oftentimes low FPS. I'm running mostly high and some settings medium (dynamic shadows and lightning) and 2x AA on 1920*1200.

Theres nothing wrong with the flash I did on my videocard, works in every other game just fine. And I already tried it before I did the flash, same FPS. When I zoom in though I get a HUUGEEE FPS boost. Normally on my previous PC I would get a FPS drop..

I'm running my CPU on 3.01 Ghz now, don't know what it could be.

It's something with the BF2 engine... I've posted about it before (although it'd take me a long time to find it again). For some reason our GPUs are working *less* when there is more to render, thus indicating some sort of bottleneck. The strange thing is that the bottleneck does not appear to be hardware based as CPU usage (even on single cores) never skyrockets, and memory usage remains reasonably constant.

If you'd like to test it, run in a window as you did for the GPU usage %:

- Go to the fallujah insurgent base
- Look south towards the middle of the map. Lots of objects, GPU should be working hardest at this point.
- Note GPU usage will be ~30% or less, FPS will be low
- Turn to face north (off the border of the map), gpu utilization will skyrocket (probably around double) as will your FPS.
- Sit there perplexed as it makes absolutely no sense.

[karambaitos]

i couldnt run PR until i turned catalyist AI on, it was lagging all over the place, low high graphics there wasnt any difference

[TheComedian]

Fallujah West. It's the mother of all laggy maps.

[MaSSive]

i couldnt run PR until i turned catalyist AI on, it was lagging all over the place, low high graphics there wasnt any difference

I dont believe bf2 nor pr uses CAT A.I. - unless youre running crossfire ??

What is the Catalyst A.I.setting and which settin is better for gaming - ATI - Graphic-Displays

TweakGuides.com - ATI Catalyst Tweak Guide

[samthegreat4]

It's something with the BF2 engine... I've posted about it before (although it'd take me a long time to find it again). For some reason our GPUs are working *less* when there is more to render, thus indicating some sort of bottleneck. The strange thing is that the bottleneck does not appear to be hardware based as CPU usage (even on single cores) never skyrockets, and memory usage remains reasonably constant.

If you'd like to test it, run in a window as you did for the GPU usage %:

- Go to the fallujah insurgent base
- Look south towards the middle of the map. Lots of objects, GPU should be working hardest at this point.
- Note GPU usage will be ~30% or less, FPS will be low
- Turn to face north (off the border of the map), gpu utilization will skyrocket (probably around double) as will your FPS.
- Sit there perplexed as it makes absolutely no sense.

Jep, I did test it. It's absolutely strange..
Would be very nice if we could sort this problem out in some way or another.

[Valleyforge3946]

Well the problem here has already been stated. BF2 is not very GPU intensive and 25% usage is about normal. Bf2 runs on a single core and is very intensive on this core. Additionally, your CPU whilst decent, isn't up to the task on 1 core. BF2 favors 3.0Ghz + cpu's. Things you can do to help are,

C:\Users\USERNAME\Documents\Battlefield 2\mods\bf2\cache - delete all in subfolders

C:\Users\USERNAME\Documents\Battlefield 2\LogoCache - applies to above, safely delete

C:\Users\USERNAME\Documents\Battlefield 2\Profiles - delete all profiles and note that you will have to retrieve your account(s) after this by using email address and password

Also, you set the CPU Priority to CPU 0 and Set its priority to High.

With that hardware seeing a FPS increase with AA bumped up is typical. Increase the demand on the hardware and you get a lil more out of it.


As for Psyrus, i know how good you are at what you do and that you help a lot. Seeing as you can do some LoD's and model (i believe) then i thought you might notice BF2's weird weirdness. I believe that the FPS increase is partly due to PR and how the maps are made but also how the BF2 engine handles objects when rendering. For example:
You render a base with cool signs and relatively high poly's but none of the objects are grouped as 1. It will reak of Lag. IF you do the same but have the objects render in groups instead of 1 by 1, it will not lag so much.

Hey guys,

I've been playing for some time and I wondered about my low FPS back then. I forgot about it and just played the game. But now I reinstalled win7 64bit because of my new graphics card: a HD6950 2GB flashed to a 6970 clocked at 6970 speeds, and I'm again wondering about that low FPS. My CPU is a Phenom 2 x4 920 @ 2.8 Ghz (can overclock it to 3.0 Ghz or something, ran that way before the new win7 install but didn't make a lot of difference; also my CPU load is never really high, didn't go above 25 or something in the 126 fools road I just played, even not in the 126 player server) and I got 4GB of RAM.

My GPU load is really neglectable. I monitored it within GPU-z while playing 126 Fools Road for some 15 minutes and I really stood perplex: around 24% load. I thought that maybe my card was underclocking itself but it didn't, it ran at the normal load speeds (880 and 1375 Mhz).

I'm running all high with no AA (I'm trying 8x AA for more GPU load as we speak..).
Can someone finally help me get rid of the laughable 30 to 90 FPS (it was 90 when walking around at the british base in Fools Road, it slowly began decreasing as I walked down the road and finally when I jumped into a jeep with some guys and arrived at the objective it was around 30-40 and stayed like that for most of the time..)?

Greets,

Sam

EDIT:
jumped on a Fallujah West server, monitored my load. GPU load is still around 24%... but: when I zoom in through a sniper scope I get a superduper-major FPS boost. Goes from around 30-40 fps to 70-80 fps. At those times my GPU load also increased drastically to around 70/90%.

This is my CPU load after some running around and sniping and getting shot in Fallujah West. In the screenshot you can see I just minimalised.


DOUBLE EDIT:
I just compared 0x AA with 8x AA in exactly the same spot standing at the Supply Crate in the USMC base in Fallujah West. 0x AA = 6 or so FPS less than with 8x AA .. :')

Hmm try basic stuff...delete shaders and profiles? Guess you know how to do that?

C:\Users\USERNAME\Documents\Battlefield 2\mods\bf2\cache - delete all in subfolders

C:\Users\USERNAME\Documents\Battlefield 2\LogoCache - applies to above, safely delete

C:\Users\USERNAME\Documents\Battlefield 2\Profiles - delete all profiles and note that you will have to retrieve your account(s) after this by using email address and password

Things you might do also - check if you have latest MB/VGA drivers, check your system for any malware, check if your firewall/AV isnt blocking anything, don't use ATI CCC /remove it if you don't really need it, check if you have any OSD servers ( evga osd...etc )

BF2 R is at last not only CPU heavy its also dependent on complete system performance including memory bandwidth, latency..etc

When all this is done start game, and before going to server alt+tab to desktop and start task manager right click on bf2.exe in processes tab, and select Set Affinity... uncheck all cores except one.

Also there is a cap on max fps in bf2. To unlock join a server press "~" to open console and type "game.lockfps 0"

I exhausted my resources with this I believe. Good luck!

[MaSSive]

Well the problem here has already been stated. BF2 is not very GPU intensive and 25% usage is about normal. Bf2 runs on a single core and is very intensive on this core. Additionally, your CPU whilst decent, isn't up to the task on 1 core. BF2 favors 3.0Ghz + cpu's. Things you can do to help are,

C:\Users\USERNAME\Documents\Battlefield 2\mods\bf2\cache - delete all in subfolders

C:\Users\USERNAME\Documents\Battlefield 2\LogoCache - applies to above, safely delete

C:\Users\USERNAME\Documents\Battlefield 2\Profiles - delete all profiles and note that you will have to retrieve your account(s) after this by using email address and password

Also, you set the CPU Priority to CPU 0 and Set its priority to High.

With that hardware seeing a FPS increase with AA bumped up is typical. Increase the demand on the hardware and you get a lil more out of it.


As for Psyrus, i know how good you are at what you do and that you help a lot. Seeing as you can do some LoD's and model (i believe) then i thought you might notice BF2's weird weirdness. I believe that the FPS increase is partly due to PR and how the maps are made but also how the BF2 engine handles objects when rendering. For example:
You render a base with cool signs and relatively high poly's but none of the objects are grouped as 1. It will reak of Lag. IF you do the same but have the objects render in groups instead of 1 by 1, it will not lag so much.

Note that changing any app priority from normal to any setting, especially high might lead to undesirable effects. I tried that once and my sound was choppy game was laggy. It might work for you, try it, if not get it back to normal. Affinity is fine just set it to any core ( just one of them )

[samthegreat4]

Note that changing any app priority from normal to any setting, especially high might lead to undesirable effects. I tried that once and my sound was choppy game was laggy. It might work for you, try it, if not get it back to normal. Affinity is fine just set it to any core ( just one of them )

Jep, your predictions were right. Stuttery and choppy sound.
But still nothing helps with my fps going below 40 in some places.. ;(

[karambaitos]

are you running in compatibility mode? if you are dont it can cause ram leaks, and lower performance in BF2 with win7, only run as admin, also using something like gamebooster to defrag the game can get you a few extra FPS

[samthegreat4]

Nope, not running in compatibility mode. Always running as an admin and gamebooster and those programs do nothing but just clog up a bit of memory. I tried some of those ''magic programs'' but they're just full of shit if I may be so polite.