A-4 y Uniformes

[SShadowFox]

Turning on a little bit better to read in English.

Good Morning, I have a few suggestions for the mod, I have a big knowledge of the equipment of the troops and divisions who used it and I have a few good tips to make ...

The theme of A-4, Texture is fine, but the cabin isn't. The Harrier is verry well, but the A-4 isn't good, is an American Plane ... So it's nice to have a better cabin for it ...

I think Devirian Uniforms Create 2 Types of Uniform Minimum for both sides.
Argentina
? Army (EA)
? Amphibian Command (it's like the Special Operators but won't feature as PR don't face Special Forces)
England
? Royal Marines
? SAS (again, no special operators)

You guys have to create everything as it was, not to add things or exaggerate the uniforms because they don't give a good environment to Mod just saying ... In my opinion I would like this made as it was, to give a good atmosphere and realism.

That's (what the guy wrote in English previously) is what we get by translating in the Google Translator.

[Rhino]

Cheers for the translation SShadowFox.

The theme of A-4, Texture is fine, but the cabin isn't. The Harrier is verry well, but the A-4 isn't good, is an American Plane ... So it's nice to have a better cabin for it ...

The A-4 is from EOD2 and its cockpit is the one that comes with it, although we are hoping to touch it up a bit before release, please remember this is still a BETA

I think Devirian Uniforms Create 2 Types of Uniform Minimum for both sides.
Argentina
? Army (EA)
? Amphibian Command (it's like the Special Operators but won't feature as PR don't face Special Forces)
England
? Royal Marines
? SAS (again, no special operators)

As SShadowFox said, Special Forces are not a part of PR, and although I am including an SF mission somewhere in the map, they will still be using normal skins.

Argentina Army skins still need to be made, its up for grabs as a community texturing task here: https://www.realitymod.com/forum/f388-p ... tasks.html

Royal Marine skins are in fact the ones being used... If you look at his solider, you will see "Royal Marine Commandos" with the RM dagger below it. Its the same Woodland skin as in normal PR.

You guys have to create everything as it was, not to add things or exaggerate the uniforms because they don't give a good environment to Mod just saying ... In my opinion I would like this made as it was, to give a good atmosphere and realism.

What we are trying to do, but I can't guarantee that the Argentina skins will be done fully in time, as no one is currently working on them and I won't necessarily be holding off the release just for some player skins which are not critical to gameplay.

[Ivan_PELOC]

Ami me gustaría ayudar al mod Malvinas ya que soy fans de este juego, los uniformes Argentinos tendrían ser así.

Todos los kits menos oficial





Oficial:


Los Kits de fusilero tendrían que ser sin granadas solo palas y fusil FN FAL y MAG en Ametrallador, ya que en la guerra de Malvinas eran ellos y su fusil, Me encantaría Ayudar seria un placer si me pasan programas con orgullo ayudaría y donaría

y por favor Pongan un solo Pucara en Goose Green

Pucará En Malvinas:



Pucará Actual:



yo creo que mi idea es genial ya que se basaría en mejorar el mod y ser mas realista, digo lo del pucará porque los ingleses tienen granadas de humo granadas de fragmentacion y binoculares en la pantalla hacer los posos en caso de argentina avanzar salir de los posos y replegarse a campo enemigo. Solo es una sugerencia si deciden tomarla no duden en avisarme así ayudo en lo que sea necesario Gracias !

[InfantryGamer42]

Ami me gustaría ayudar al mod Malvinas ya que soy fans de este juego, los uniformes Argentinos tendrían ser así.

Todos los kits menos oficial





Oficial:


Los Kits de fusilero tendrían que ser sin granadas solo palas y fusil FN FAL y MAG en Ametrallador, ya que en la guerra de Malvinas eran ellos y su fusil, Me encantaría Ayudar seria un placer si me pasan programas con orgullo ayudaría y donaría

y por favor Pongan un solo Pucara en Goose Green

Pucará En Malvinas:



Pucará Actual:



yo creo que mi idea es genial ya que se basaría en mejorar el mod y ser mas realista, digo lo del pucará porque los ingleses tienen granadas de humo granadas de fragmentacion y binoculares en la pantalla hacer los posos en caso de argentina avanzar salir de los posos y replegarse a campo enemigo. Solo es una sugerencia si deciden tomarla no duden en avisarme así ayudo en lo que sea necesario Gracias !

English pls?

[Ivan_PELOC]

I would like to help the Falkland mod with uniforms

All kitts except the official kitts:





Remove smoke grenades and fragmentation in Fusilero kits since the soldiers did not have that equipment

Shovel and rifle FN FAL And MAG machine gun in Ametrallador, In the Falklands War were the conscripts and their rifle

official:



And please put a single Pucara in Goose Green, A plane pucara would not go bad since the English have grenades of smoke and fragmentation and binoculars... Our advantage in the air like the Falklands War

Pucará En Malvinas:



Pucará Actual:



I think my idea is great since it would be based on improving the mod and being more realistic, It is only a suggestion if they decide to take it do not hesitate to let me know so I help in what is necessary Thank you!

[InfantryGamer42]

I would like to help the Falkland mod with uniforms

All kitts except the official kitts:





Remove smoke grenades and fragmentation in Fusilero kits since the soldiers did not have that equipment

Shovel and rifle FN FAL And MAG machine gun in Ametrallador, In the Falklands War were the conscripts and their rifle

official:



And please put a single Pucara in Goose Green, A plane pucara would not go bad since the English have grenades of smoke and fragmentation and binoculars... Our advantage in the air like the Falklands War

Pucará En Malvinas:



Pucará Actual:



I think my idea is great since it would be based on improving the mod and being more realistic, It is only a suggestion if they decide to take it do not hesitate to let me know so I help in what is necessary Thank you!

Thanks for translation,I didnt have time. IMO Arges should have grenades realistic or not,because It would be shit other way,so... I dont is there any Pucara model in work,but thet camuflage for Pucara can be used on A-1.

[Rhino]

I have plenty of refs of Argentine soldiers with grenades during the war, a small selection:






I dunno if the conscripts were given any or not, but your photos don't prove it either way as their grenades could be under their coats, like in these pics of commando units, you can't see any of their kit on them either:



But as others have said, removing grenades from the kits would be really bad for gameplay w/e the case anyways so that isn't going to happen, unless no soldiers at all had any during the battle then we might look at doing some asymmetrical balance, but that isn't the case.


As for a Pucara, we don't have a Pucara model and we don't have the resources to make one either but it is an open community task if you or someone else wants to take it: https://www.realitymod.com/forum/f388-p ... tasks.html

Right now we are using a reskinned A-1H Skyraider as a Place Holder for the Pucara since it does the same job:


If however your asking for that to be placed on the Goose Green map, well it use to be on there but it was taken off as the mapper felt it didn't work on it, so you would have to convince [R-DEV]Mineral to put it back if you want it on that map

[YAK-R]

The skyraider on goose green was awesome! So epic seeing that thing flying around. Having to protect the runway so it didn't die on spawn was unique and pretty cool. (the unintended effect of getting the cas squad to do something other than request all cool kits and rush a flag was also welcomed)

Probably pretty easy to shoot down with the blowpipe these days.

[Ivan_PELOC]

[R-DEV] Rhino Those are the Soldiers of Goose Green



NCOs had grenades The photos you upload belong to the command group, They did not fight on goose green It would be great to simulate the Falkland War As it really was,



If you spend the programs with pleasure I will help you

[Rhino]

Well that last picture is of prisoners so you wouldn't see any weapons on them at all

As far as I know, and from what wiki also says after just checking it, Goose Green was defended by a mix of regular/elite units and conscript units:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of ... _of_battle
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of ... n_defences

On paper Piaggi had a full regiment, but it consisted of units from three separate regiments from two different brigades, none of whom had ever worked together. IR12 consisted mostly of conscripts from the northern, sub-tropical province of Corrientes, while the IR25 Company was considered an elite formation and well-led. At the start of the battle, the Argentinian forces had about the same number of effective combatants as the British paratroopers.[31] Some elements were well-trained and displayed a high degree of morale and motivation (Company C IR25 and 25 Signal company); one of their officers remarking that: "...we are going to defend something that is ours."[31] Other companies were less well motivated, with the 12th Regiment chaplain, Santiago Mora writing:

"The conscripts of 25th Infantry wanted to fight and cover themselves in glory. The conscripts of 12th Infantry Regiment fought because they were told to do so. This did not make them any less brave. On the whole, they remained admirably calm."

And even with conscripts making up a large portion of the Argentine forces, I still haven't see any hard evidence they didn't have any grenades and then even if they didn't and as said before, wouldn't be good for gameplay without at least some kind of asymmetrical balance in other ways.

You are also aware that Goose Green isn't the only map with the Falkland factions on it? There is also the main "The Falklands" map that represents the entire conflict

[Ivan_PELOC]

Español: mucha informacion erronea tienen, Los regimientos en esa epoca eran llenados con conscriptos, la unica fuerza elite argentina son los comandos, los conscriptos no estaban entrenados para usar granadas ya que su entrenamiento fue basico, en los posos de zorros eran 2 conscriptos y 1 suboficial, no me lo conto wikipedia me lo contaron veteranos de malvinas hoy retirados, servi como soldado voluntario del ejercito, se lo que paso en malvinas pero esta bien tiene razon se pierde el equilibrio, pero alos uniformes estaria bueno hacerlos como fueron, no busques en google fotos de soldados argentinos en malvinas, la revista gente sacaba fotos desde el continente no desde las islas. los soldados se la pasaban las 24 hs en los posos no dejaban sacar fotos escondian lo malo de la guerra, Lo dijo el Gral Menendez Gobernador Argentino en Malvinas Gracias por leer y espero que porlomenos escuchen mi pedido de los uniformes, seria genial darle mas realismo a como fue la guerra en verdad.

English:
The regiments at that time were filled with conscripts, the only elite Argentine force are the commandos, the conscripts were not trained to use grenades since their training was basic, in the fox grounds were 2 conscripts and 1 petty officer , I did not tell him wikipedia I was told by veterans of falconry today retired, I served as a volunteer soldier of the army, I know what happened in fallows but this is right is lost balance, but the uniforms would be good to make them as they were, do not look in Google photos of Argentine soldiers in Falkland Islands, people magazine took pictures from the continent not from the islands. The soldiers spent the 24 hours in the grounds did not let them take photos hiding the bad of the war, said the Gral Menendez Argentine Governor in Malvinas Thank you for reading and I hope that at least listen to my request for uniforms, it would be great to give it more realism As was the war in truth.


Varios Argentinos y Latinos ( Menos Chilenos ) estarán contentos del Cambio

[Rhino]

Cheers for the info, might look at removing some grenades from the basic kits in the future but only if we can balance things in other ways with like something like Rifle Grenades for the Argentine Grenadier.

As for the uniforms, they are reskins and edits of the MEC Soldier models with US:Vietnam kit geoms stuck on them and we don't have the recourses to rework the textures right now, let alone make brand new soldier models or kit geoms. I also think given what we have, they represent the 1982 Argentine forces pretty well, in some cases better than the kit some of our other factions are using but your more than welcome to have a go at tweaking their textures or making some new models for them if you wish

Cheers!

[AfterDune]

As much as we like to follow realism, sometimes gameplay > realism and so we hand out grenades for free.
It'd be pretty meh if one side has grenades and the other (almost) doesn't.

But as Rhino points out, we could remove some here and there, but only if we can balance it properly.

[sweedensniiperr]

but argentines has full auto and that makes quite a difference in cqb

[Rhino]

Ye but not enough on its own to justify the removal of grenades from the common kits and that is balanced in a few areas like the Brits have better SMG and LMG and getting an ATGM where the Argies only have an RR etc.

[FlyingR]

Ivan, I'm glad you're sharing all of that with us since most of the people here, including me, had no idea. But you have to understand that this mod is basically done by Rhino, so to speak. He has other stuff to focus on (like the Frigate, hurry the hell up Rhino! ). This may be a reason why the uniform change might be done much much later or might not be done at all. Of course it would be better to have the uniform changes, Pucara, etc. but there's just not enough manpower/resources to do it.

As for the grenades, I say keep them. This is not a complete realistic or historical accurate game, this is mainly a game that focuses on teamwork while trying it to make you feel like it's realistic and at the same time trying to achieve balance for the sake of fun.

[Ivan_PELOC]

your more than welcome to have a go at tweaking their textures or making some new models for them if you wish

Cheers!

I would love to help with touch up things I just need a tutorial and programs

[Rhino]

But you have to understand that this mod is basically done by Rhino, so to speak. He has other stuff to focus on (like the Frigate, hurry the hell up Rhino! ).

I know what you mean FR but just to clarify, most of the work for PR:F hasn't been done by me alone, I've just headed up the team and directed it etc. The Argie Soldier textures were totally done by Spush, Brit ones by CTRifle, A-1H reskin by Specter and while I helped finish off the Bren gun, {ZW}C-LOKE did the bulk of the modeling work and Sabre-Oz did its textures. List goes on and on, only a few things were totally done by me and even the Falklands map Dr Rank helped me out with placing some statics on it hehe.

But yes I do have lots of other things to do, like the Frigate which hopefully will be done "Soon (tm)"

As for the grenades, I say keep them. This is not a complete realistic or historical accurate game, this is mainly a game that focuses on teamwork while trying it to make you feel like it's realistic and at the same time trying to achieve balance for the sake of fun.

Indeed.

I would love to help with touch up things I just need a tutorial and programs

LMGTFY

[Lukas_17_cab]

don't worry rhino,all the mod its okey. i never see this guy IVAN in game.