20mm underbarrel GL rounds not strong enough.

[Darman1138]

A few days ago I was playing on a Vadso INS game and I had the Grenadier kit for the Militia. At one point, I had a clear vantage point on a full enemy squad. I started firing 20mm grenades and was hitting right next to them. I fired 10 rounds and about 5 were dead on. I mean, they hit the ground a foot and a half to two feet away from an enemy. I even hit some of the same people again so it wasn't one grenade to each soldier. After those 5 rounds, not one guy went down. They just ran into the woods. Is that how 20mm grenades act IRL or does it need adjusting? I mean, 10 grenades landing within a short vicinity, I would think, should decimate anyone there.

[ComradeHX]

A few days ago I was playing on a Vadso INS game and I had the Grenadier kit for the Militia. At one point, I had a clear vantage point on a full enemy squad. I started firing 20mm grenades and was hitting right next to them. I fired 10 rounds and about 5 were dead on. I mean, they hit the ground a foot and a half to two feet away from an enemy. I even hit some of the same people again so it wasn't one grenade to each soldier. After those 5 rounds, not one guy went down. They just ran into the woods. Is that how 20mm grenades act IRL or does it need adjusting? I mean, 10 grenades landing within a short vicinity, I would think, should decimate anyone there.

What 20mm grenades?

[40mmrain]

they're 40mm grenades

[Darman1138]

they're 40mm grenades

Oops. Thought it was 20, but I guess you would know. Either way, I'm talking about the underbarrel one like here.

http://world.guns.ru/userfiles/images/a ... m_gp25.jpg

[Wheres_my_chili]

Yeah, i always thought the 40mm were pretty weak ingame as well. I figure if the enemy is inside the smoke cloud then they should be dead, right?

[ExNusquam]

People I've talked to who have used 40mm grenades in real life say that they are very small explosions. The sentiment was that you'd have to land the grenade directly on someone to kill them.

[Darman1138]

What's the point of even having them though? I mean, it's like I was just shooting smoke grenades the whole time.

[waldov]

I dont know about you but ive always found the 40mm UGL one of the most underrated weapons in the squad. Ive devastated many i squad when ive used it and it tends to wound the enemy rather then kill them outright. If the squad you were shooting at didnt have a medic you wouldve got 7 or so kills, those medics are the bane of all us lonewolf snipers and trail watchers. the medics you're problem not the UGL.

[Darman1138]

I haven't used it much at all, (normally I go Medic) Maybe it was just how frustrated it got me... but just seeing that many explosions, in that small an area, with that many people running around, with that many of the shots hitting their targets... and not a single one of them went down. Not one. I don't mean "dead dead". I mean no one even went down as wounded.

Easily my most frustrating moment in personal PR history.

[Mikemonster]

Funny, I always thought they were somewhat overpowered - Great fun weapons either way.

RPG's are a bit underpowered vs Inf in my book, that's not based on any real life experience though.

I would imagine in reality that it'd be hard to kill someone instantly with a 40mm, but quite easy to hurt them so badly they don't really want to fight any more..

[emmanuel15]

What's the point of even having them though? I mean, it's like I was just shooting smoke grenades the whole time.

you use them not to become a killing machine you use them to support your'e squad and that's the sole purpose of it... did enemies ever dear to peek their heads when thy are being directly suppressed by a UGL? you won't die from it but you know it's a dumb decision to try so and that's what i think it's role is, to keep your'e squad being able to operate properly without having the fear of being returned fire (happens anyways) but it's bound to happen less as long as your'e supports (UGL,MG's) keeping the acurate and consistent fire you have the higher chance of survive...i think i took this to a diffrent discussion...

[aurimas]

its very good weapon shoting from roof to gound. in other case its not worth

[PoisonBill]

its very good weapon shoting from roof to gound. in other case its not worth

I think it actually does a good job suppressing and smoking windows and balconies. In the cases it is not worth you still have 30 rounds to fire. Sure beats the vietnam kit.

[Mikemonster]

And if you aim conservatively (so it falls short if it misses) the dust covers your squad for a second (and a UGL is a VERY good argument for moving if it's shooting at you - it's only a matter of time..).

[Heavy Death]

You made them run into the woods, thats the purpose. Sometimes it is a weak weapon, but if you acn land more hits, you will do damage, otherwise its an excellent suppressive and morale lowering-chaos inducing weapon.

[Mikemonster]

Not to mention if he lands one near my squad, I move them on, because otherwise you risk a quagmire.

[carmikaze]

In real life, 40mm nades are best in CQB (cities...), if a sniper in a tall building controls a whole street, you cant get to him and dont want to waste your LAT, 40mms are the way to go, the debris of the destroyed wall will most likely kill that sniper.

[Darman1138]

You made them run into the woods, thats the purpose.

Not at the time. We were trying to kill them or get them to fall back. They ran into the woods but towards the FOB we were trying to keep them away from. Didn't work out in the end.

[ComradeHX]

It is relatively accurate way of one-shot killing someone as well as do massive supression and some damage even if it does not kill.

[thelastvortigaunt]

I always saw the advantage of the 40mm as more that you can targets just by area of effect more than by accuracy. They're extremely useful on maps like Muttrah where elevation changes rapidly over a minuscule distance (i.e. buildings). You can produce low-cost, high volume, high accuracy (compared to hand grenades) on targets you can't even see. All you need is a surface next to your target and they're kaput.

Concerning your situation, I've had similar experiences, but given the range and number of rounds you get with the 40mm, I think they're more or less far as they are. That's just my two cents.