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[Psyko]

Hey,


When you switch from scope to irons on the AK74 your vision is very limited and fairly impractical.

So is it possible that by just tilting the rifle forwards a little we might have more to see down the iron sights? We dont need to see down, we just need to be able to see more "up"


To that effect, my suggestion for any rifle that doesnt have one of those emergency battle sights, that you get one anyway, case in point the G3 with scope, it would be cool if i could just aim down the top of the scope a bit instead of firing from the hip.


cheers.

[rodrigoma]

this has been suggested several times. I personally dont get the point.

And you never fire from the hip in pr. AFAIK

[Mats391]

this has been suggested several times. I personally dont get the point.

And you never fire from the hip in pr. AFAIK

indeed, the soldier always shoulders the weapon. But that is even more a reason to give him a backup sight where he just shoulders weapon w/o using the scope. It wont be accurate and you will only be able to hit anything at <50m but it would be incredible usefull for room clearing as you currently have to either quickscope or fire w/o sighting in at all.
Just add it so you can benefit from the reduced deviation when doing something the soldier already does on its own.

[Oskar]

this has been suggested several times. I personally dont get the point.

And you never fire from the hip in pr. AFAIK

And as far as I know, I fire plenty from the hip, actually everytime an enemy comes around the corner at 1-10m range when I don't have my sights up!

But I don't think the russian backup irons need any changing, works just fine as it is. The scope is large so of course your view is a bit restricted.

[Psyko]

!!!

I never said you should fire from the hip.
THE ISSUE IS...
when i right click on a G3, id like to be able to aim down the top of the barrel when aiming at enemies at short range.

SECOND ISSUE: The russian irons on scoped versions of AK74 is too small and limits your vision to an excrusiating letterbox. It is worse than the scope for creating tunnel vision and therefor is a total waste and was illogical to be placed in the game as a feature...

Think about it for a second. Iron sites on a weapon is for what?.......for maximizing visual while engaging a target, correct? In other words your screen is real-estate space, and the less **** on screen while clearing rooms ect is the most important aspect.

So it boils down to this. What is the point in implementing a feature that doesnt help at all?

Solution: Either tilt the rifle butt up so that its not at an angle while switched to irons, Or else move the whole gun down in the animation and aim down the top of the scope instead of through it. you lose the accurasy of having an iron site pip, but you gain all the real estate space on screen that you didnt have when the scope was blocking the right half of the screen.



Also one last thing: When you clear rooms with a rifle that has a scope, there are three main ways to do it.
1: throw in a grenade, run in and spray the corner where you think they are.
2: wait for them to come past the door and shoot them when the expose themselves.
3: throw in grenade, wait for them to come out then shoot them as they exit.

All three ways require the exact amount of scope. 0%
For clearing, rooms corridors, short streets, allyways, mezzanines, walkways, balconies, ladders, stairs, and foxholes, you need to walk up with irons or aimpoint and spray like mad. everything else needs scope. so its not like the irons on the russian weapon isnt important.

[007.SirBond]

The point is the developers are following orders from Nato to portray Nato forces as superior to anything non-Nato.

This includes making the backup sights for AK74M nearly useless and adding a ton of recoil for weapons that are not Nato issued like the Chinese qbz-95 rifle.
In the next version of PR, they will feature one randomly chosen squad member of the Russian Armed Forces having massive screen sway, shouts random comma rose commands and a different voice to authenticate the one drunk Russian soldier usually found in squads of the Russian Army.

[camo]

You spelled sights wrong, just saying.

[ComradeHX]

The point is the developers are following orders from Nato to portray Nato forces as superior to anything non-Nato.

This includes making the backup sights for AK74M nearly useless and adding a ton of recoil for weapons that are not Nato issued like the Chinese qbz-95 rifle.
In the next version of PR, they will feature one randomly chosen squad member of the Russian Armed Forces having massive screen sway, shouts random comma rose commands and a different voice to authenticate the one drunk Russian soldier usually found in squads of the Russian Army.

And AK-74M animation is still wrong (as with RPK-74M) for all scoped kits.

[Wheres_my_chili]

Why dont the devs just implement backup sights for all rifles for goodness sake? Even if they dont get the point, most of the posters on here (myself included) would find them useful.

[Gracler]

The AK74 scoped backup sight is very annoying but it is after all just a backup sight, so I hardly ever use it. I do hip fire at 1-5 meters, and scope in on the rest.

I don't know if anyone really use this sight very much but since it blocks your frontal view a lot it is very impractical. A guy could shoot you in the face without you knowing . Backup sights above the scope is very good though.

The fact that PR devs developed this feature is great though and shows that they pay attention to detail which is awesome.

Why dont the devs just implement backup sights for all rifles for goodness sake? Even if they dont get the point, most of the posters on here (myself included) would find them useful.

Because they have jobs and real lives and the fact that not all weapons have backup sights perhaps?

[Wheres_my_chili]

Because they have jobs and real lives and the fact that not all weapons have backup sights perhaps?

They implemented backup sights for all elcan and susat scopes, made a new sight for british rifles, and gave us great working backup sights for the AK74, the pkp, the SMLE, and numerous other weapons, but adding the ability to look over your sight is suddenly too much work?

All they would have to do is what they've already done.

[Heavy Death]

Looking over the weapon is not a backup sight.

It is kinda bad yet OCD satisfying for only those which are capable of BUIS to have BUIS. I dont know...

[spawncaptain]

The problem is that unless a system similar to the ranging system on the LATs is implemented, the bullets will come out of the center of the screen. If we had some kind of "looking over the sights" mode people would just make a dot there and use it to fire accurately without having the sights obstruct their view.

[Gracler]

They implemented backup sights for all elcan and susat scopes, made a new sight for british rifles, and gave us great working backup sights for the AK74, the pkp, the SMLE, and numerous other weapons, but adding the ability to look over your sight is suddenly too much work?

All they would have to do is what they've already done.

You could offer your help then you would know how much work it is, I personally don't know and it could be a design decision choice more than a work problem.

[Wheres_my_chili]

I would totally help if i could, but as i am i would more than likely hinder them. I just think that its an unfair advantage that some armies have over others. If all armies had the ability to point their gun accurately without having to zoom all up in an enemies face then it would be a huge equalizer.

[fillsson]

I've noticed after the latest patch, where you now switch optics mode with C. If you type anything with a C in chat, you'll switch to the other optic.

[Predator.v2]

Interesting.

I just wanted to leave some feedback about the russian backup sight. Especially the AK74m backup sight. I have no idea, if it is "realistic" but the backup ironsight is just tiny (the space between ironsight and the scope above) and once you shot one or two shots (not to mention fullauto) you can't spot anything with it (it already very hard to spot anything, when you just move around). Most of the time, i still prefer the alternative non-scoped ironsight AK74M when i have to deal with CQB, as the backup sight is so useless. I am not sure, how russian soldiers can deal with that backup sight irl, but i suppose with two eyes open or just the way the human eye can deal with "recoil" irl rather than in game, there must be a way.

So my suggestion would be:
Even if it might be "unrealistic", get the AK74M backup sight design a bit closer to the SVD/PKP backup sight. These two weapons backup sights have more space upwards and are a bit more "open" to the right side. Their backup sights are great and incredibly useful compared to the AK74M.
I don't want you to use the same backup sight (as different scopes, i know that), but maybe adjust the scope a tiny little bit upwards (even if unrealistic) or set a small zoom on the ironsight (not a zoom for the environment, just get the ironsight a bit "closer" to the eye, so gap "appears" a bit wider).

[Bluedrake42]

Why don't we have 3 backup sights?
One for the sight
One for the Backup sight
and one for looking over the scope

if a rifle doesn't have a backup sight then they only get 1 and 3

[Rudd]

and one for looking over the scope

looking over the scope has a danger of being a far more effective BUIS because of the excellent vantage point for your view. Ironsights mark your screen center, the downside is that they block some view, over the scope views don't have a center mark...but it's really not that hard in BF2 where we rely too much on deviation - especially if you're an arse who will put a temporary mark on their monitor screen with somthing like blu tac

[Wheres_my_chili]

But, dont several factions already have that vantage point?