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Insurgency Layer for Beruit?
Posted: 2013-09-09 23:13
by Holzy
007.SirBond wrote:I think a INS layer for this map would be perfect. Seeing as IDF fought Hezbollah in several wars in southern Beirut. I think this would alright. I am aware there is no actual Hezbollah faction, but Hamas or Iraqi Insurgents would work well enough for this map. Russians are being used against IDF in Beirut right?
In my opinion the top left north west island would be a perfect location for IDF blufor main, the two bridges hold very high strategic value, and allow INS to set up ambushes there. It would force Blufor to build a fob on the other side of those bridges, of course IDF still get black hawks or hueys as a form of air transport. But I think this layer would be a very great addition to PR.
I like the Idea of Beirut Insurgency and in fact have played it before in an event for PR 0.98, it had flaws but they could be fixed.
'[R-CON wrote:Psyrus']You can't have different voices on different layers of the map (unless you clone the whole map, adding like 50-100MB to the mod size), so if you're ok with the insurgent faction speaking Russian, then it might be feasible.
Im not sure if this is correct but from what I am seeing in the PR 1.0 Init files they no longer have the voices text line.
Eg.
gameLogic.setTeamLanguage 1 "Chinese"
gameLogic.setTeamLanguage 2 "English"
Now even if they did need the above lines most maps are using multiple Init files to run different factions (and/or Skys Eg. Black Gold).
So you can use Hamas vs IDF for an INS layer on Beirut without having to clone the map.
Re: Insurgency Layer for Beruit?
Posted: 2013-09-10 02:14
by dtacs
I personally think there aren't nearly enough cache locations to make it viable. There are very few accessible buildings on the map and majority of those are on the outskirts (H shapes) or are T shapes, making the map not very interesting for insurgency gameplay.
With the trenemdous amount of vehicles the Russians get making transport easy, it'll be a bit of a stomp when a building facing the desert has a BMP and Havok smashing it and choppers constantly dropping infantry. Not to mention only 30% or so of the map is in-play area
I would like to see if Deer is going to make any updates for the next version though
Re: Insurgency Layer for Beruit?
Posted: 2013-09-10 03:23
by Adalaxy
I think this a good idea. Beirut seems like it has a lot of potential.
Make it a night map or bad weather to close the open spaces.
Re: Insurgency Layer for Beruit?
Posted: 2013-09-10 03:58
by xambone
While were at it why not make one for Muttrah
Re: Insurgency Layer for Beruit?
Posted: 2013-09-10 06:47
by Kerryburgerking
But Militia/Russia on Black Gold uses the same voice.
Re: Insurgency Layer for Beruit?
Posted: 2013-09-10 06:56
by AfterDune
Holzy wrote:Im not sure if this is correct but from what I am seeing in the PR 1.0 Init files they no longer have the voices text line.
Eg.
gameLogic.setTeamLanguage 1 "Chinese"
gameLogic.setTeamLanguage 2 "English"
These lines are not in the init.con anymore, but they are called
from the init.con file.
It seems that voices can only be set through init.con, probably because it's loaded earlier than the other init variants and at that point can't set the voices anymore or something.
Re: Insurgency Layer for Beruit?
Posted: 2013-09-10 07:05
by zloyrash
I am for more new different gamelayers.
Can you copy Beirut as Beirut2 and place insurgents with their voices on it? mm?
Re: Insurgency Layer for Beruit?
Posted: 2013-09-10 07:11
by AfterDune
We can, but we won't. For such a tiny change, it's just not worth the extra MB's. Would rather just have Insurgents or Militia speaking Russian.
Re: Insurgency Layer for Beruit?
Posted: 2013-09-10 07:13
by Bellator
I would prefer a MEC vs insurgents, we dont have such maps at all.
Re: Insurgency Layer for Beruit?
Posted: 2013-09-10 13:09
by Jacksonez__
Bellator wrote:I would prefer a MEC vs insurgents, we dont have such maps at all.
Yep. Maybe add Muttrah city insurgency (mec vs. insurgents) or variation of Burning Sands INS? It's currently GB - INS night map but alternative could be MEC - INS day map.
Re: Insurgency Layer for Beruit?
Posted: 2013-09-10 13:53
by Kerryburgerking
Check out the WIP map Outpost Gonna be MEC vs Insurgents
Re: Insurgency Layer for Beruit?
Posted: 2013-09-10 16:32
by Skitrel
With respect - the bridges here are awfully long, isn't the smallest bridge at least 6 destroyable pieces wide?
Mortars or an SPG techie focusing on bridge destruction would turn Beirut into a lockout every single time if Blufor main was placed on the island. Repairing 2 broken pieces of a bridge is a rare enough event to see, let alone longer bridges that are fully destroyed.
Re: Insurgency Layer for Beruit?
Posted: 2013-09-10 22:10
by Redamare
I could see a Beruit INS .... Its has enough hiding spots and defensive zones... The Searchers should be based at the Cargo yard because shipping back and forth from the aircraft carrier could kill the whole idea.
Re: Insurgency Layer for Beruit?
Posted: 2013-09-11 07:42
by Adalaxy
Redamare wrote:I could see a Beruit INS .... Its has enough hiding spots and defensive zones... The Searchers should be based at the Cargo yard because shipping back and forth from the aircraft carrier could kill the whole idea.
They were talking about using the Island as a Main. I think it should be both like Sareema The boat and the land base.
Muttrah Insurgency sounds fun but can you change the time of day? High Noon on Muttrah bored the fuck out of me sometimes.
Re: Insurgency Layer for Beruit?
Posted: 2013-09-11 12:19
by INVIS
Oh a stormy version of Muttrah, that could be great!
Then MEC VS INS that would be just perfect.
I also like the Beirut idea...
Re: Insurgency Layer for Beruit?
Posted: 2013-09-16 01:56
by camo
INVIS wrote:Oh a stormy version of Muttrah, that could be great!
Then MEC VS INS that would be just perfect.
I also like the Beirut idea...
The bigD server did a insurgency muttrah event a couple of months ago but with the usmc vs insurgents. It was fun until someone decided to ghost like crazy ending the round really quickly. If it was stormy like in black gold insurgency it would be even better.
Re: Insurgency Layer for Beruit?
Posted: 2013-09-16 14:42
by Unhealed
[R-DEV]AfterDune wrote:Would rather just have Insurgents or Militia speaking Russian.
What about Militia speaking Hebrew? I think that would fit just fine.
Re: Insurgency Layer for Beruit?
Posted: 2013-09-16 20:06
by waldov
Unhealed wrote:What about Militia speaking Hebrew? I think that would fit just fine.
Yeah you could have Israeli rebels fighting the Russians, That would actually happen if Israel was invaded by a big power. Just replace the militia guns with M4s, Uzis, Galils and other second tier Israeli weapons, maybe chuck an IDF helmet on a guy here and there and Boom you have Israeli rebels/militia.
Re: Insurgency Layer for Beruit?
Posted: 2013-09-16 22:44
by Unhealed
Just replace the militia guns with M4s, Uzis, Galils and other second tier Israeli weapons, maybe chuck an IDF helmet on a guy here and there and Boom you have Israeli rebels/militia.
If it's not possible then I think that standard militia arsenal would be fine too, AK is the most popular gun on the planet after all.
Re: Insurgency Layer for Beruit?
Posted: 2013-09-16 23:33
by SterrUwe321
Bellator wrote:I would prefer a MEC vs insurgents, we dont have such maps at all.
Syria is a good opportunity for this idea. To bad the MEC team has G3 Rifles and not AK's like the Syrian Army.
I'm working rightnow on a syria map (30% done) and i guess it will be MEC vs. Ins. Appearantly there are a few guys working on a real Syrian Army Faction.