Anti Personel Mines

robbo · Post by **robbo** » 2007-01-06 21:02

Id really like to have AP mines like the Bouncing Betty http://images.google.co.uk/images?hl=en ... rch+Images

I know that the UK dont use AP mines(Not sure about US) but no doubt the MEC would and the Insurgency.
Claymores suck on most maps as they need to be placed in Chokepoints and then detonated kinda hard really.

Bounmcing betty is a very effective mine shoots up about 4ft and can take out a whole squad.

Post by **Bob_Marley** » 2007-01-06 21:16

AP mines are banned by international treaty, IIRC, so it seems unlikly that the MEC would use them, as for the PLA I dont know if they are signatoryies...

Post by **77SiCaRiO77** » 2007-01-06 21:20

why (if the AP mines are banned) does the US use cluster mines (actualy AP mine=cluster)?

robbo · Post by **robbo** » 2007-01-06 21:20

MEC are made up they can have whatever they want. In a hardcore war like this whos guna stop people laying down a few AP mines

Cluster Bombs are used by UK and US when they dont explode they are basically a AP mine

Wasteland · Post by **Wasteland** » 2007-01-06 22:28

USA never ratified the treaty.

foodmaniac2003 · Post by **foodmaniac2003** » 2007-01-06 22:37

robbo wrote:Id really like to have AP mines like the Bouncing Betty http://images.google.co.uk/images?hl=en ... rch+Images.

You do realize what the Bouncing Betty is right?

It was a AP mine, and did indeed bounce up then detonate for maximum damage, though it was use by Nazi Germany including the SS and the Wehrmact. It would be very awkward to have a WWII weapon in a Realistic Modern mod eh?

Eddie Baker · Post by **Eddie Baker** » 2007-01-06 22:44

Bob_Marley wrote:AP mines are banned by international treaty, IIRC, so it seems unlikly that the MEC would use them, as for the PLA I dont know if they are signatoryies...

77SiCaRiO77 wrote:why (if the AP mines are banned) does the US use cluster mines (actualy AP mine=cluster)?

Just because signatories of this treaty agreed not to use them does not mean that they or anyone else will not use them. The fact is they are cost effective, brutally so, for what they are intended to do.

BTW, "APERS" is the preferred acronym/abbreviation for "anti-personnel" so it does not get confused with "armor piercing" (AP).

Despite political pressure from the Vietnam Veterans of America the United States did not sign the Ottawa Treaty (Convention on the Prohibition of the Use, Stockpiling, Production, and Transfer of Anti-personnel Land Mines and Their Destruction) due to special circumstances, namely the Korean DMZ.

However, the US is a signatory of Protocol II (Prohibitions or Restrictions on the Use of Mines, Booby-traps, and Other Devices) of the Geneva Convention on Prohibitions or Restrictions on the Use of Certain Conventional Weapons Which May be Deemed to be Excessively Injurious or to Have Indiscriminate Effects (UN Doc. A/CONF./95/15, 1980) and abides by the provisions laid forth in it. Under the Clinton Administration, it also tried to keep with the spirit of the Ottawa Treaty. The minefield around Guantanamo Bay Naval Base in Cuba has been completely dismantled, and the US has nearly completely destroyed its stockpile of non self-destructing mines except for those lining the border in Korea, and even those are clearly marked by a perimeter.

Only troops in stationed in Korea (and perhaps other places, with regards to special operations) receive training in the use of M16 series bounding APERS mines and the use of the M18 Claymore directional APERS mines in the tripwire activated mode. Unless ROE allows for it, the Claymore is only used by US forces in the command-detonated mode only.

foodmaniac2003 wrote:You do realize what the Bouncing Betty is right?

It was a AP mine, and did indeed bounce up then detonate for maximum damage, though it was use by Nazi Germany including the SS and the Wehrmact. It would be very awkward to have a WWII weapon in a Realistic Modern mod eh?

Bounding APERS mines have been developed and used quite frequently since then and have always been informally referred to as "bouncing betties," including the US M16 series of bounding APERS mines. And considering how old the M2 Browning Machinegun is, it doesn't seem that awkward to me.

Thunder · Post by **Thunder** » 2007-01-06 22:55

the bouncing bettys in bfv where great. watching some one rush the flag to see one of these pop up in his face and explode was alot of fun. especaily in confined spaces.

Post by **bosco_** » 2007-01-06 23:14

'[5NFSO wrote:Thunder']the bouncing bettys in bfv where great. watching some one rush the flag to see one of these pop up in his face and explode was alot of fun. especaily in confined spaces.

Yeah, those bamboo sticks were fun to set up too

Maybe the insurgents could get a BB.

Wasteland · Post by **Wasteland** » 2007-01-07 01:25

The Vietnamese had some really ingenious traps. I lived in Ho Chi Minh City for three years, and my family and I visited the Cu Chi tunnels. They showed us this set up they'd put in the corners of the rooms of the tunnels. There would be a small pit, with a piece of canvas covering it, attached on three of four sides. The fourth side would be attached to the pin of a nade.

When the Americans cleared the rooms, the first guy in would first take a position in the corner to cover as much area as possible, then the others would file in. Just long enough for the three seconds after the "ouch! Damn hole!"

dead fish12345 · Post by **dead fish12345** » 2007-01-07 03:18

screw the bouncing betty give the insugents a bb gun !!!!
http://steelturman.typepad.com/photos/u ... bb_gun.JPG

or...
http://www.ejmailorder.co.uk/images-air ... gun-lg.jpg
lol

dead fish12345 · Post by **dead fish12345** » 2007-01-07 03:19

be cool if the insugents could make diff. traps than ieds

{9thInf}GunnyMeyer · Post by **{9thInf}GunnyMeyer** » 2007-01-07 06:58

WHat about the Claymore? Unless little BBs shooting all over the place kills tanks or armour of some sort, then it is Antipersonnel.

Post by **Mongolian_dude** » 2007-01-07 07:34

Leave the Us with Clamores.
If more proxim(or tripwhire) clamores are used RL by the americans, then change it to that.

because GB dont use AP mines, if they were removed, then the slot would have to be filled up with something else.
any ideas?

...mongol...

robbo · Post by **robbo** » 2007-01-07 09:13

If the US get AP mines then the british should be able to have HESH rounds for the challenger.

Aus Sniper01 · Post by **Aus Sniper01** » 2007-01-07 09:48

Yes I know this is all set up and stuff, So just watch this and I think you all might agree with me on this by using Trip Chem Lights but only for Urban Maps:

Canadian Sniper Team Asscrackistan:

http://www.army.forces.gc.ca/LF/english ... d=0&id=241

PS im covering the Sniper Class lol.

Thunder · Post by **Thunder** » 2007-01-07 19:58

Mongolian_dude wrote:Leave the Us with Clamores.
If more proxim(or tripwhire) clamores are used RL by the americans, then change it to that.

because GB dont use AP mines, if they were removed, then the slot would have to be filled up with something else.
any ideas?

...mongol...

the british use claymores the last i heared.

and china has a HUGE collection of ap mines

{9thInf}GunnyMeyer · Post by **{9thInf}GunnyMeyer** » 2007-01-07 20:44

All claymores are the same, its just that sometimes ppl stick little strings on the firing pin to blow it that way. But they are used with clackers more often than Tripwire.

Post by **Mongolian_dude** » 2007-01-07 21:06

Aus Sniper01 wrote:Yes I know this is all set up and stuff, So just watch this and I think you all might agree with me on this by using Trip Chem Lights but only for Urban Maps:

Canadian Sniper Team Asscrackistan:

http://www.army.forces.gc.ca/LF/english ... d=0&id=241

PS im covering the Sniper Class lol.

OMG! i never thought you could get a silencer for a 50cal! lol
Would like to see a silencer on a mounted 50cal, like on a Hummer lol.

...mongol...

Aus Sniper01 · Post by **Aus Sniper01** » 2007-01-07 23:29

Yeah only for the Canadian made rifle which is the one they are using.