Russian overrepresentation and the need for another "opfor" faction

[sweedensniiperr]

Hello,

In this thread I'd like to discuss the overrepresentation of the Russian faction in PR. I would also like to have a discussion about the possibility for another fiction faction like MEC to take the russians place on some European themed maps.

I also have a couple of question specifically directed towards the developers, and of course I would very much like to hear the devs opinions on this matter.
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Let's first talk about how many maps the Russians are in. I want to say that I in no know dislike the russians in-game, they recently got an overhaul and are looking more badass than ever. Also coupled with maps(and upcoming) without scopes. But I specifically feel like it's getting to the point when every other map the opposing of X faction is russians.

You can count the maps, or count the individual layers and you'd still come to the conclusion that around of 50% of the time you're gonna play on a map with russians on it. ALL of the recent added maps in PR contains the russian faction.

Before the devs scold me, yes I understand that the Russians are one of the few factions that can actually field an amphibious assault. And YES, I understand that USA also has a good representation in PR - but there is a difference! US, has army, vietnam and marines. They're split into 3, and can also field amphibious assaults. With amphibious assault into consideration I still feel like Russians are played almost every other round.

So what would be the solution then be? Put MEC woodcamo in there instead? Eh, lame. On the other hand...

First I thought that the Finnish(or Swedish ;_; ) faction could be good candidate, seeing how they're not in NATO and all. But I'm not entirely into how long they've come, but it feels quite far away at this moment too be honest.

I was thinking about a "European" fictional faction. Just like MEC is in the Middle-east. They could use existing all existing assets already in PR, possibly with a few retextures here and there. I'm thinking about assets that are not used that much, some newer vehicles, some surplus from maybe brits and russia....FN FALs... You know... The details are not important. Only that it should stand out enough from the other factions.

Why "European"? Most maps that the Russians could be replaced in are on are maps that have a European theme.

I wanted to know about the interest and enthusiasm from the community. If many people are positive on this project myself could try on getting the project. Seeing how I have 0% modding experience it would take some time yes but I would still probably do it.

Now, some devs might come and say something like "but we don't want any more fictional factions. MEC is just a handy product of vBF2 that is used for middle-east countries." But why hasn't there been any work to actually make it an actual country faction then?

Things to discuss:
Do you think Russians are overrepresentated in PR? Are you bothered with it?
What is your opinion on a fictional "European" faction ala MEC in PR?
If you feel that there's too many Russian maps, what be your solution.

Question specifically to DEVs:
Is there a list with unused assets that could technically be used PR, only that there's no place for it? Sort of like a repertoire? Is it available to see?
If this thing was actually made, put up to an actual PR faction standard, would it be added into PR?

Edit: i think some of you misunderstood me, I do think having mec woodland in Europe stupid
Also yeah, militia maps are also candidates

[Rabbit]

Hello,

In this thread I'd like to discuss the overrepresentation of the Russian faction in PR. I would also like to have a discussion about the possibility for another fiction faction like MEC to take the russians place on some European themed maps.

All 3 Europe maps? Actually 2, because part of Nuijamaa is in Russia.

[Jacksonez__]

All 3 Europe maps? Actually 2, because part of Nuijamaa is in Russia.

nuijamaa is in europe

also technically all militia maps (grozny, fools road, iron ridge, dragon fly, kozelsk) are in europe but I think they are more in north-caucasus rather than in the europe as we understand it. Other europe maps are vadso, dovre (x2) and saaremaa.

[Rabbit]

nuijamaa is in europe

Right but what I am saying is that the map is partially in Russia, thus having MEC rather than Russia would be strange.

[Jacksonez__]

Right but what I am saying is that the map is partially in Russia, thus having MEC rather than Russia would be strange.

why would we have mec in Europe in the first place? Should be more PLA vs MEC maps imho.

[Rabbit]

why would we have mec in Europe in the first place? Should be more PLA vs MEC maps imho.

.... its not my suggestion, I was simply saying it would be strange....

[Cavazos]

So when it is America, you call it good representation but if it's Russia then it's over representation.

I don't feel like Russia is over represented as an OPFOR faction. Most of the time when I play them it's as BLUFOR against Militia.

[Zeno]

why would we have mec in Europe in the first place? Should be more PLA vs MEC maps imho.

The only PLA vs MEC map is the one in working on..

[MaxTheSilva96]

MEC in Europe make no sense. IMHO Russia is a fine OpFor for maps in Europe.

[Rice N. Beans]

https://youtu.be/l-PEv8bgbtk

[Airsoft]

why would we have mec in Europe in the first place?

disguised refugees

There should be more Russian involvement to reflect them "getting lost" and "accidentally cross the border"

ARF is featured on one map. I'd like to see more ARF.

[paragonid]

Do I understand correctly that it's basically "Layout" responsibility scope to assign a faction and assets to a map?
And what you say is that you are tired of current layouts and you want new ones?

If yes, then it's not a problem of over-representing Russia or other factions.

Are there some limitations to amount of layouts you can add to one map? If not, I would say diversity in layouts is good and we should have more of them (:

[LiamBai]

While I kind of agree with the OP, it's pretty unrealistic to replace Russians on just about any map for realism or location reasons. The real solution is for people to just make maps that don't involve Russia, but due to Russia's size and foreign policy, inspiration for Russian maps is just easier.
In that way I think Russia is actually nice, since Russian faction really only plays on maps in or close to Russia... You could put the US fighting anyone anywhere and nobody would bat an eyelid at it being unrealistic.

[Frontliner]

I do dig the idea of a Western militia fighting NATO(as well as Russia, cuz why not?), but I don't think it'll happen due to the amount of work you'll have to put into a faction like this. I do agree the Russians are quite overrepresented though and I would love to see the mapmakers finding some inspiration to utilize China or MEC(especially woodland camo) more, as a handful of BluFor/OpFor combinations are not used as of yet or simply under-utilized compared to XvsRussia or USvX.

[Mineral]

I don't care much about alliances, I personally worked on a FR vs GER map before I scrapped it As Liam says it's all about what fits on the map, both authentic-wise and gameplay-wise. If mappers put russians on it then that's probably for a good reason. I also don't care about too many maps with russians, as we also have lots of maps without them, it's not like there isn't enouph choice with nearly 50 maps...

I mostly want to see more new maps with the factions we don't feature a lot. FR,ARF,NL,vietnam,...

As for more MEC type stuff, please no...

[mries]

It might be interesting that when the UAF will be implemented in the future to set them on a map against GB/GER/FR/NL or something to similate a possible situation where the policy of Ukraine is Russia based instead of NATO/EU.
But that also might make people reallife butthurt/emotional.

[Murkey]

I'm not too keen on a fictional EU militia faction but would like to play more variety.

As others have said, it really is the mappers choice, but to play less RU and more NL, FR etc would be great.

Where possible I'd like a bit more PLA and even militia on some of the RU OpFor maps.

But if someone was willing to make the changes, why not more Insurgent/Syrian Rebels vs MEC, Hamas vs MEC etc.

Cheers, Murkey.

[Madar_al_Fakar]

Poland vs Germany, Germany vs France anyone (I mean why not if there is Black Gold which is CN vs RU)? I don't think Russia is over-represented.
Aaand also what's up with Syrian team, I know they said they won't have Syrian Army finished by 1.4 but still they might say something new? or at least say they didn't work on it xD SAA could do good for middle eastern maps, even for Beirut maybe.

[Mats391]

Sadly we are missing some assets to properly split Russian faction into things like VDV, Naval Infantry and general army. Who wants Russian PT-76?

[Jacksonez__]

Sadly we are missing some assets to properly split Russian faction into things like VDV, Naval Infantry and general army. Who wants Russian PT-76?

we want BMP-Terminator