Learning "PR strategy": will people (esp.newbies) be interested to learn by watching?

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Mouthpiece
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Learning "PR strategy": will people (esp.newbies) be interested to learn by watching?

Post by Mouthpiece »

Let me expand upon the Title a bit. The full title: Learning "PR strategy": will people (esp.newbies) be interested to learn by watching in-depth commentaries about different PR matches (e.g., "what went wrong?" "why did BLUFOR lose at the end of such a glorious REDFOR rapefest?" and others)?

What are PR strategy lessons and how they can be teached in the most efficient way possible (so they are not one-on-one intimate sessions, but rather a public event that would be really useful even for those people who are spending their lives without that much of an interest in the grand strategy aspect of this mod.

My vision. A lesson basically is a recorded match that has been cut up in editor or just left unedited (for more in-depth analysis or more patient audience) with a knowledgeable player commenting on the happenings in the recorded match. And the manner of his comments are gonna be the key to success, I mean, learning, but, yeah, you can throw in success as well.

I'll come out clean - this is NOT my idea. I stole this idea from TF2 match reviews that are done by TF2 pro gamers like b4nny. Here's an example how it would look:


Of course, to pull it off in PR is much more different as the maxcount of players aren't 10, but almost 10 times larger. And that's because I think the commentator should concentrate more on the grand strategy aspect of the match - and he can do that by answering such questions as:
"Why are the teams moving like that [while looking at a map where both teams can be seen]: at the beginning, when all of neutral flags have been capped by both teams - what are the possible direction for a successful push after the situation has calmed down a bit?", "What are the best possible flanking positions in the current map and the situation the squad's in and why?", "Why did asset X or squad Y fail their mission and what could have prevented them from doing that?"
I have many, many more questions where these came from. But the main question I have - IS IT WORTH IT? Is it worth the hassle, the video editing, the commenting and in the end - possibly a really qualitative material that's enjoyable for watching for everyone - from newbie, to an experienced player as it's always, ALWAYS healthy to double check the facts (more chance you will do the right thing automatically, without thinking when the shit hits the fan).

And most important question before we even attempt to start "wasting time" - know that almost every "lesson" is meant for newer players, the lecturers should first find out the consent within the newbie hoard. It's not that I've totally have lost my faith in humanity (of PR newbies), but, yeah, my faith isn't as strong as it has been over the years as I haven't seen a newbie that isn't openly afraid to admit that he's a newbie and needs help. People are frigged up with the whole "internet is so serious so I must carefully guard the facts that ANYONE might want to know, like, for example, that I've only been playing for a few months and therefore I'm new to this game, but I will never admit that [the funny thing is that people who "come out" online saying the truth about their experience, they are the ones who usually get real experience fast and quickly become the part from the "better side of the community".

Talking about seriousness about game related facts... I remember that in '00s, before facebook (and before everyone could see one another and keep bombarding one another wth shitty pics of themselves) and before when everyone was online all the time, internet was a considerably less serious place to be, and it's a bit sad that nowadays people can get so mind boggingly serious about such things as "status in a virtual world" - I mean wtf, 'tis all virtual after all! Mark my words, the end of the world is coming, muhahaha!)
Heavy Death
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Post by Heavy Death »

Not worth it. Not saying it is bad as I support stuff like that but I do not think any major improvements will be seen.

Inb4 PR fr4gmovie.
paragonid
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Post by paragonid »

If you create quality learning material, people sure will use it. E.g. this one helped me https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O76KDhj4MmU , I won't say there are many things which I couldn't learn from trying for 30mins, but there are some things, that I might have not learnt from flying 10h.
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Post by LiamBai »

PR Strategy:

Try to make CAS squad.
Failed? Try to make Tank squad.
Failed? Try to make APC squad.
Failed? Alt+F4 "I have to go make dinner anyway."
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Frank Jeager
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Re: Learning "PR strategy": will people (esp.newbies) be interested to learn by watch

Post by Frank Jeager »

[R-CON]LiamBai wrote:PR Strategy:

Try to make CAS squad.
Failed? Try to make Tank squad.
Failed? Try to make APC squad.
Failed? Alt+F4 "I have to go make dinner anyway."
Or

Try to join CAS squad.
Locked? Try to join Tank squad.
Locked? Try to join APC squad.
Locked? Alt+F4 "I have to go make dinner anyway."
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Post by Gerfand »

Well there a really good way of how to make this work
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yr9MQtYV0U8[/youtube]
Stats!
(AND TACTICAL BUSY WORD)
everyone like stats, so if you pick a record and say something like:

If you FLANK in situations like this w/ your 33 damage M4, you can do your 900rpm burst which will out performace/ give a TACTICAL advantage the G-3 w/ 50 damage and 600rpm, giving you a increase in 40% on the STRATEGIC control of the BATTLEFIELD.
sweedensniiperr
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Post by sweedensniiperr »

i thought about this along time ago. I like the idea, it takes a lot of work though.

in pub matches it's simple to win ->
build FOBs

it could maybe have interesting in PRT though...
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'[R-CON wrote:LiamBai;2128845']PR Strategy:

Try to make CAS squad.
Failed? Try to make Tank squad.
Failed? Try to make APC squad.
Failed? Alt+F4 "I have to go make dinner anyway."
Hmm I recognize that a lot.....
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Post by [at]Vio-Lence »

50% of matches that go wrong are because of a team that fails to build relevant FOBs and the other 50% are because no squad chooses to defend objectives.
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Mouthpiece
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'[at wrote:Vio-Lence;2128901']50% of matches that go wrong are because of a team that fails to build relevant FOBs and the other 50% are because no squad chooses to defend objectives.
Yes, these basic facts also could be easily covered within almost every potential vid.

But by looking at other players thoughts and also my thoughts, seems like that in this case the ends doesn't justify the means.
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Quantity and quality of fobs are directly connected to SL experience and ability of the squadmates to build them.
Your statistics analysis is something like stating that global warming is connected to reduced amount of pirates.
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[R-CON]LiamBai wrote:PR Strategy:

Try to make CAS squad.
Failed? Try to make Tank squad.
Failed? Try to make APC squad.
Failed? Alt+F4 "I have to go make dinner anyway."
c'mon, you still can get HAT or Sniper kit.
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Post by theDaarkness »

The only problem is you could ask 5 people in PR about strategy and get different answers. And most of the newbie people problems are just Read the manual and try again issues. If you can't understand basic concepts then forget about teaching strategy.
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Post by KingFish-v- »

My way to learn how to play PR is joining infant squads. First using rifleman, then medics, other squads kits, and gradually learned how to use the other special kits. Combat tactics are learned first, and after that I start to understand why the squad leader is leading the squad to this place. To see where the squad leaders usually build the FOBs. 1.5 years after I first touched this game, I become a decent squad leader as well.
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Post by FFG »

I can't speak for all "whores" But when i was learning CAS after doing tank/apc/trans for ages. I watched videos from Yolo, Viirus, Inspek, and other CAS whores. Watched what they did and learnt off of that. Demo break downs/POV break downs don't work for PR, because there far to many variables.

I've played TF2 6v6 and Highlander, The difference in skill curve between TF2 and PR are on different levels and cannot be tackled the same way
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paragonid wrote:c'mon, you still can get HAT or Sniper kit.
Or AA, or maybe drive supply truck somwhere far enough to leave it there.
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paragonid wrote:Quantity and quality of fobs are directly connected to SL experience and ability of the squadmates to build them.
Your statistics analysis is something like stating that global warming is connected to reduced amount of pirates.
Or Putin being responsible for Oil prices going up in 2000.
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Post by Wicca »

There are so many moving parts and long matches in PR that might make commentating quite hard. But if you can focus on one squad and what they are doing and how they react and what they should have done that might be more interesting as opposed to the entire team.

You can do that for various squad types aswell. I would suggest that as opposed to trying to comment on an entire battle, you would have to split the battle up into its respective parts and comment on say; One squad assaulting a flag.
- Is the squad doing it alone?
- What intel does the squad have?
- What kits does the squad have?
- How is the squad assaulting?
- How is the squad using avalible resources? (UAV, vehicles, Mortars, kits)

Same thing with armor squads or CAS squad. Each battle could have up to 20 videos made for each various part of it that would make it watchable and even make it less abstract.
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Post by sweedensniiperr »

Wicca wrote:You can do that for various squad types aswell. I would suggest that as opposed to trying to comment on an entire battle, you would have to split the battle up into its respective parts and comment on say; One squad assaulting a flag.
- Is the squad doing it alone?
- What intel does the squad have?
- What kits does the squad have?
- How is the squad assaulting?
- How is the squad using avalible resources? (UAV, vehicles, Mortars, kits)

Same thing with armor squads or CAS squad. Each battle could have up to 20 videos made for each various part of it that would make it watchable and even make it less abstract.
That would be the best thing. It still would take huge amount of work if you're going to be thorough.
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