Is it real !?

[ToXiCGrAvE]

I'm very confused by the Admins sometimes regarding map selection.

So, admins put up a request for a map.

- 5 guys say Khami, 5 guys say black gold and another one says kokan

Admins put in vote: Kozelsk, dovre, hill 448.


Anohter example


- 3 guys say burning sands, a few guys say silent eagle and a few last guys say soul rebel

Admins put in vote: muttrah, fools road and ulyanovsk



is it just me or do admins play what they want to play themselfs coz they might not be that mature yet?

[UTurista]

is it just me or do admins play what they want to play themselfs coz they might not be that mature yet?

Yes and No.

Some admins might ignore player suggestions because they actually know better, they know that if were left for the common players to choose they would have a muttrah/Khamy/Kashan 24/7 server. Hence they might ask for suggestions but the pick 3 that offer some map variety.

There's also the other kind of admins that want to play map X, so they choose 2 other maps that are similar to each other but the opposite of X, making everyone who doesn't want to play X to split the votes between the other 2, resulting in X winning.

[CAS_ual_TY]

How about this:

Common players can not see all suggestions, because the veterans use the !r function to suggest maps. And those maps suggested usually suit way better.

Also: I 100% agree with UTurista.

If you put a desert map in there, itll always win, unless you put 2 desert maps in the vote with 1 different map, that isnt too unpopular, then there is a slight chance that this map wins and the map vote is more balanced. Pubs are usually too dumb to see that, tho, and complain about 2 desert maps being in the vote.

So, do everyone a favour and DONT complain. If too many people complain about map votes, then those map votes might vanish (like it happened already on some servers)

[ToXiCGrAvE]

How about this:

Common players can not see all suggestions, because the veterans use the !r function to suggest maps. And those maps suggested usually suit way better.

Im not sure if this is what is supposed to happen because, in what way would it be better. I mean it is about the players which are on the server who just want to have fun, so if the majority wants to play desert because it is easier for beginning players, let them have fun.

Its why they are here.

As beginning player and you get fools road smacked in ur face, the only thing you see is trees trees and more trees. the trees shoot bullets. Ofcourse after you played this long enough you can see the beauty of such map, but overall, desert is just more popular with starting players.

[CAS_ual_TY]

Im not sure if this is what is supposed to happen because, in what way would it be better. I mean it is about the players which are on the server who just want to have fun, so if the majority wants to play desert because it is easier for beginning players, let them have fun.

Its why they are here.

As beginning player and you get fools road smacked in ur face, the only thing you see is trees trees and more trees. the trees shoot bullets. Ofcourse after you played this long enough you can see the beauty of such map, but overall, desert is just more popular with starting players.

Why is desert popular?
- People get assets and can rek inf

How many players will actually get assets?
- 20-40

How many players will not get assets and therefore not have as much fun as on an INF map
- 60-80

As a beginning player playing Khami, how much fun do you think he will have, in comparison to Fools Road? On Fools he experiences infantry combat and has atleast the chance of killing someone. On Khami that newbie gets kicked out of every asset squad, and his infantry squad either gets rekt by enemy assets, or it advances while friendly assets rek the enemy. Both of these outcomes are not rly fun.

Or to use your words:
On fools road you see trees, trees and more trees
On khami you see assets, assets and more assets, which all want to kill you without you having cover.

Stop talking for infantry if you dont want to play infantry on desert maps yourself and therefore oppose 60%-80% of the players who play infantry.

Regards
- Common Sense

[Rabbit]

Yeah, I find it annoying when they ask for maps then don't use ones people say, however for good reason as many have stated. I prefer when servers ask what kind of map, desert, forest, jungle, urban.

[FlyingR]

> Op. Marlin playing right
> Mapvote: Saaremaa, OP MARLIN, Qwai River
> wut?

Also Admins always put the same fucking maps over and over again, even when people suggest different maps, so don't make it look like it's the player's fault only. Always some desert map, Saaremaa, Op. Marlin and Muttrah. Please change it a bit, there's over 30 maps and layouts, use your imagination...

[ToXiCGrAvE]

As a beginning player playing Khami, how much fun do you think he will have, in comparison to Fools Road? On Fools he experiences infantry combat and has atleast the chance of killing someone. On Khami that newbie gets kicked out of every asset squad, and his infantry squad either gets rekt by enemy assets, or it advances while friendly assets rek the enemy. Both of these outcomes are not rly fun.

My dear friend. What you are talking about is a problem in balance, not a problem in the map. I like it very much to play infantry on any map. I love it to have a good squad and build some assets or whatever. Actually i do that every day.

The AA on the ground is REALLY good vs air targets. CAS is mostly only in the air after 20 minutes giving the squadleader time to get defence up.

Oh he doesnt. he doesnt realize there is cas maybe. competent squadleaders is more important then map selection

[CAS_ual_TY]

> Op. Marlin playing right
> Mapvote: Saaremaa, OP MARLIN, Qwai River
> wut?

Also Admins always put the same fucking maps over and over again, even when people suggest different maps, so don't make it look like it's the player's fault only. Always some desert map, Saaremaa, Op. Marlin and Muttrah. Please change it a bit, there's over 30 maps and layouts, use your imagination...

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62 Ulyanovsk
45 Nuijama
37 Beirut
35 Xiangshan
33 Dovre
33 Operation Marlin
31 Kozelsk
29 Burning Sands
29 Iron Ridge
29 Qwai River
28 Sbeneh Outskirts
23 Assault on Grozny
23 Saaremaa
22 Wanda Shan
20 Khamisiyah
18 Battle of Ia Drang
18 Jabal al Burj
18 Muttrah City
18 Silent Eagle
18 Vadso City
17 Assault on Mestia
17 Kashan Desert
17 Yamalia
16 Black Gold
14 Asad Khal
14 Fools Road
14 Goose Green
14 Hades Peak
13 Dragon Fly
13 Operation Barracuda
11 Shijia Valley
10 Charlies Point
8 Bamyan
8 Bijar Canyons
8 Pavlovsk Bay
7 Gaza
6 Korengal Valley
6 Operation Ghost Train
6 Route E-106
6 The Falklands
5 Dovre Winter
4 Ramiel
2 Al Basrah
2 Karbala
2 Kokan
2 Sahel
1 Fallujah West
1 Hill 488
1 Lashkar Valley
1 Operation Archer
1 Operation Soul Rebel
1 Tad Sae Offensive

This is how often each map has been put into a vote on our server. Considering how often the top maps are played in contrary to how often they are put into votes, YES I do blame the voter

My dear friend. What you are talking about is a problem in balance, not a problem in the map. I like it very much to play infantry on any map. I love it to have a good squad and build some assets or whatever. Actually i do that every day.

The AA on the ground is REALLY good vs air targets. CAS is mostly only in the air after 20 minutes giving the squadleader time to get defence up.

Oh he doesnt. he doesnt realize there is cas maybe. competent squadleaders is more important then map selection

So when there is no cover on a map the balance is to blame? Also, disprove my point and dont talk around it. You didnt disprove ANY of my points.

Stop pretending that desert maps are fun for the majority of players playing, because they are not. It is simple as that.

[inb4banned]

I'm very confused by the Admins sometimes regarding map selection.

So, admins put up a request for a map.

- 5 guys say Khami, 5 guys say black gold and another one says kokan

Admins put in vote: Kozelsk, dovre, hill 448.


Anohter example


- 3 guys say burning sands, a few guys say silent eagle and a few last guys say soul rebel

Admins put in vote: muttrah, fools road and ulyanovsk



is it just me or do admins play what they want to play themselfs coz they might not be that mature yet?

I can tell you're an asset whore just by you only listing asset maps as only ones suggested

[Rico]

As a server admin for PRTA we usually ask for suggestions on admin TeamSpeak. Ideas put forward will usually be based on but not limited to:

- Avoiding maps already played that day.
- Must be a different layer to current map (inf, std, alt, ins)
- The population of the server (some maps are not good with low numbers, and/or wont help fill the server up). E.g. Insurgency works best for seeding.
- Time of day. Later in eve, more Americans are on who like American maps as the euro's go to bed.
- Variety of map size and type e.g. Go from desert to forest, small to big, NATO forces to other etc.

We do see the map suggestions in chat but above takes priority.

[ToXiCGrAvE]

As a server admin for PRTA we usually ask for suggestions on admin TeamSpeak. Ideas put forward will usually be based on but not limited to:

- Avoiding maps already played that day.
- Must be a different layer to current map (inf, std, alt, ins)
- The population of the server (some maps are not good with low numbers, and/or wont help fill the server up). E.g. Insurgency works best for seeding.
- Time of day. Later in eve, more Americans are on who like American maps as the euro's go to bed.
- Variety of map size and type e.g. Go from desert to forest, small to big, NATO forces to other etc.

We do see the map suggestions in chat but above takes priority.

I appreciate you took the time give a quality reply.

[FlyingR]

This is how often each map has been put into a vote on our server. Considering how often the top maps are played in contrary to how often they are put into votes, YES I do blame the voter

Most of the times I see votes being 2 overplayed maps and one not so overplayed, so usually everybody picks the overplayed maps, the votes are somewhat bias.

You should definitely change it a little bit, make a vote like Falklands, Tad Sae and Route E106 rather Silent Eagle, Falklands and Kashan.

Something like this guarantees to have a different map and make things more interesting.

Stop pretending that desert maps are fun for the majority of players playing, because they are not. It is simple as that.

I think desert maps (or all heavy asset maps for that matter) are very fun for infantry. Having heavy assets in the map makes it even more challenging for inf squads, makes SLs work harder to capture the flag while trying to eliminate assets. I enjoy it a lot honestly, and I'm most of the times SLing.

[mectus11]

I think desert maps (or all heavy asset maps for that matter) are very fun for infantry. Having heavy assets in the map makes it even more challenging for inf squads, makes SLs work harder to capture the flag while trying to eliminate assets. I enjoy it a lot honestly, and I'm most of the times SLing.

Next thing you'll be telling me how maps like Bijar are fun for infantry, they're not, they're the worst to play Infantry as.

If your CAS on your team is shit then you're going to lose your ground assets and then the enemy team will steamroll your team and the infantry will end up dying over and over. Dying over and over is not fun for anyone.

This is not organized play like the PR Tournament for it to be fun for Infantry, pubbing means you'll get fucked if you end up on the team with the worse asset players.

Our process on A94 is to go 2k -> 2k -> 4k -> 2k -> 2k -> 4k and over and over. As Casualty pointed out from his quality post that we tend to favour maps that are the best for infantry play for the regulars and new players.

We usually debate map choices on Teamspeak and then pick a map or two that players suggested but if you check !history and if a map like Khami or Kashan was played it will not be put in the vote for a while until it's 4k's turn again.

That is our process and we stick with it since it benefits players, you get to experience assets and infantry play.

[FlyingR]

Next thing you'll be telling me how maps like Bijar are fun for infantry, they're not, they're the worst to play Infantry as.

We actually played Bijar today in A94 as inf (SL) and it was pretty fun. I do like Bijar as inf, for me it's honestly fun to play 4x4km AAS maps (with or without assets).

If you play it right and know what's your role in the game and play accordingly then it works. You also have to basically assume that asset squads suck so have to find a way to rely on your squad and yourself. You guys underestimate the ability of inf countering heavy assets (especially with well placed FOBs).

As for maps, today there was a map vote, I think during Bijar if I'm not mistaken where it was Goose Green, Beirut and some other (Iron Ridge?). Guess which one won? Beirut of course... My only problem with this and like I said above is that map selecting is a bit bias, in the way that there's always one popular map which will get all the votes meaning that maps like Goose Green, Iron Ridge, etc. will not be played.

A suggestion:

A suggestion could be that you could select the most unpopular mapvotes selection at the same time (Shijia, Falklands, Ghost Train, Hades Peak, Pavlosk, etc.) while putting the most popular maps at the same time (Kashan, Silent Eagle, Wanda Shan, Beirut, etc.)

[QuickLoad]

used to admin for FCV and personally did:

1. asks for suggestions

1-2 map votes that were suggested, khami dragonfly
1 map vote that isn't usually played, assault on mestia

i don't admin anymore cause no time, but I can say that the new system(auto map switch) is less biased although has the issue of ..

0. falluja
1. burning sands
2. kokan

lets just say that's the map vote in example.

people play on falluja, then map switch to burning sands crashes

then everyones back on fallujah, and they have to play burning sands again, then mapswitch to kokan crashes

and then they have to do fallujah, sands, AND kokan.
so admins are generally better, but they have to be vigilant in variety

[FFG]

Currently for FCV, I'm generally the person who picks the maps.

When deciding the map, I look at the maps played recently
- Factions
- Setting
- Mode
- Play style
- Map size and scope

Then look at the capability of the teams
- Do we have a lot of clans on
- Do we have enough pub squad leaders
- Would this team be good for X gamemode or Y flag situation
- How balanced are the teams (Would this team be better of on a hard blufor map) etc

then pick a map based off the outcome from that. I do generally ask for map suggestions, but its mainly to get an idea of what kinda maps people wanna play.

[QuickLoad]

Currently for FCV, I'm generally the person who picks the maps.

When deciding the map, I look at the maps played recently
- Factions
- Setting
- Mode
- Play style
- Map size and scope

Then look at the capability of the teams
- Do we have a lot of clans on
- Do we have enough pub squad leaders
- Would this team be good for X gamemode or Y flag situation
- How balanced are the teams (Would this team be better of on a hard blufor map) etc

then pick a map based off the outcome from that. I do generally ask for map suggestions, but its mainly to get an idea of what kinda maps people wanna play.

<3 ur style, stay true

[Tommygun]

Those of you who suggest there is a lack of variety in maps played, I presume you have all downloaded the new map pack? If I have my way I would see them in every servers map list and too bad if you've not downloaded it, you will just get dropped.
I'm all up for map votes but looking at this thread you can see why some servers might not want implement them.
As an aside, I ALWAYS play inf (too scared of wasting assets (high ping) and other players are just plain better at this stage) and I don't care what map I play. I just love PR.
Sadly, you cant please all the people all the time....

[Raklodder]

I don't care what map the admin(s) end up choosing as long as it's insurgency.