legality of pr no trolling please

[zido]

hello guys. i first heard of the game back in 2018 when a friend of mine told me about and that its free to play ,so i downloaded and played . then i heard that bf2 is now abandon ware and that you can download it for free either and that ea can do nothing about it and then i saw revive shut down so i begin to wonder is pr standalone is legal and most importantly to me is it right to use bf2 assets in the game as its dead so in short i didn't buy bf2 and i guess i cant as its not sold anymore by ea so does even ea knows about pr if so and they dint do anything about it so i guess they are approving it so i can play with clear conscious . p.s i am living in a country that its fine to torrent games so legality is not the issue here.

[Mineral]

We always look at it as a grey-zone.

It is indeed no longer possible to buy battlefield 2, neither are the online services of battlefield 2 available anymore so you only legally have one option: don't play BF2 or PR.

But to allow people to continue to play PR we indeed went standalone.

Even before we went standalone we already did things that technically weren't allowed by the EULA such as hacking into the executable of BF2 to make things like the compass or our 3D VOIP work. EA/DICE never seemed to really mind. Neither was there any noticeable issue with them when we went standalone ( we were never contacted). It's common believe that BF2 revive was shut down as they were using battlefield (and EA?) logos, something we always avoided. We don't want to interfere with somebody else their brand.

So ultimately it comes down to your own conscious. But given there isn't a choice to play BF2, PR or any online mod 100% legally anymore we consider it abandonware where we enter the grey-zone of legality.

[Suchar]

Also, the revive project was not shut down by EA. EA just asked them to remove EA trademarks, thats all - but for some reason they (the Revive Team or whatever they were called) decided to shut whole project down.
EA has no real benefits from shuting us down either. They would only make their reputation worse in the eyes of the players. I doubt they will ever shut us down. We would have to do something really stupid

[zido]

Also, the revive project was not shut down by EA. EA just asked them to remove EA trademarks, thats all - but for some reason they (the Revive Team or whatever they were called) decided to shut whole project down.
EA has no real benefits from shuting us down either. They would only make their reputation worse in the eyes of the players. I doubt they will ever shut us down. We would have to do something really stupid

didnt they ask also to stop distributing their game ? anyway pr is totally different as it only uses things from the game not all the game right ?

[zido]

We always look at it as a grey-zone.

It is indeed no longer possible to buy battlefield 2, neither are the online services of battlefield 2 available anymore so you only legally have one option: don't play BF2 or PR.

But to allow people to continue to play PR we indeed went standalone.

Even before we went standalone we already did things that technically weren't allowed by the EULA such as hacking into the executable of BF2 to make things like the compass or our 3D VOIP work. EA/DICE never seemed to really mind. Neither was there any noticeable issue with them when we went standalone ( we were never contacted). It's common believe that BF2 revive was shut down as they were using battlefield (and EA?) logos, something we always avoided. We don't want to interfere with somebody else their brand.

So ultimately it comes down to your own conscious. But given there isn't a choice to play BF2, PR or any online mod 100% legally anymore we consider it abandonware where we enter the grey-zone of legality.

so i guess when you do something you dont know if its ok but the owner didnt tell you its not ok so he doesnt mind right ?

[zido]

also didnt eggman said that dice were ok by using their assets ?

[Frontliner]

Yes he did say something to that effect, but you never, ever operate under word of mouth. If EA were to sign us a written form of them being ok with us doing whatever if it doesn't involve using their brand names or logos, that's the only time I'd ever argue we can rely on their good will - somewhat.

Right now it's best for all of us if we pretend to not exist and hope EA deems us not worthy of their time as well.

[zido]

Yes he did say something to that effect, but you never, ever operate under word of mouth. If EA were to sign us a written form of them being ok with us doing whatever if it doesn't involve using their brand names or logos, that's the only time I'd ever argue we can rely on their good will - somewhat.

Right now it's best for all of us if we pretend to not exist and hope EA deems us not worthy of their time as well.

ok i mean that the creators of the game are unofficially recognizing pr as i dont care about legal issues as long as they really dont mind what is happening but by the way why didnt anyone tried to replace the game assets so we can get out of this grey area ?

[Suchar]

why didnt anyone tried to replace the game assets so we can get out of this grey area ?

Yeah, we will gladly do it instead of WW2.

If they wanted to shut us down, they would have done it long ago.

[Outlawz7]

Replacing game assets isn't enough if we still use the core of the game.

[zido]

Replacing game assets isn't enough if we still use the core of the game.

do you mean the engine ? isnt it different from bf2 ?

[Suchar]

Project Reality is a mod for BF2, it means that we use their game engine - Refractor 2.

[zido]

Project Reality is a mod for BF2, it means that we use their game engine - Refractor 2.

i know sorry but i guess i read in one of the forums that the engine was changed thanks for the info

[PatrickLA_CA]

Don't tell the cops.

The engine and a few other things are a property of EA but was there not some sort of a law that allows this kind of use of digital goods after X amount of time a company ceases support? I'm not sure about but I think this came up some time ago on a similar thread in this forum

[zido]

i remember reading something like that but cant find it anywhere i remember that someone said so on reddit but can we find a proof ?

[zido]

i am asking the question here to not revive old threads . is making pr standalone is distributing to bf2 that revive team was closed for it ?

[Rhino]

IIRC, Revive BF2 closed down after EA asked them to remove their logos/branding from their site & mod as the way they where going about it, it looked like it was something EA/DICE had made/released themselves. To be clear, EA didn't shut Revive BF2 down, they closed down themselves for whatever reason after that, even thou they could have easily removed those EA/DICE logos and branding from both their mod and site and you would have to ask them why they closed down when they could have just complied with EA's request.

[zido]

IIRC, Revive BF2 closed down after EA asked them to remove their logos/branding from their site & mod as the way they where going about it, it looked like it was something EA/DICE had made/released themselves. To be clear, EA didn't shut Revive BF2 down, they closed down themselves for whatever reason after that, even thou they could have easily removed those EA/DICE logos and branding from both their mod and site and you would have to ask them why they closed down when they could have just complied with EA's request.

i know and i read the letter that ea sent them and i read things about collecting money in the shadows or something. in the letter they said they want them to stop distributing their game .so isnt that what pr do considering it went standalone ?

[Suchar]

If they wanted to shut us down they would've done that long time ago...

[zido]

dude are you repeating your posts?