Anti-Air Weapon...

Tactical Advantage · Post by **Tactical Advantage** » 2005-07-29 22:08

One thing I'd like to see in PR is a portable shoulder fired anti-aircraft weapon... Either make it like a choice for the Anti-Armor kit, so the person could either get a anti-armor weapon, or anti-air weapon, his or her choice with the kit... Or make it like a random weapon found on the battlefield, say have some strapped to the side of a vehicle which someone could go up and grab, fire, then ditch it, like a one time use weapon... Infantry needs a shoulder fired anti-air weapon, to many times i've seen infantry whipped out by an enemy plane or chopper which is next to impossible to hit sometimes w/ the SRAW, give us like a Stinger to, some sort of heat-seeking weapon please.

TerribleOne · Post by **TerribleOne** » 2005-07-29 22:42

Do infantry carry these around? i know the royal marines uses Anti Tank shoulder missiles but then they have the rappier that they move around when a place is secure for AA. Not sure they use stingers etc.

^^^ or atleast the RAF Regiment move the rappier around

Post by **BrokenArrow** » 2005-07-29 23:34

stingers were used to enourmous effect in the mujahadeen(no idea how to spell that) struggle against the soviets of course the weapons were provided by the US in the ongoing backstabbing campaign of the cold war with US and Russia (oh yeah youre supporting this? im gunna try to mess it up for you as hard as i can!) also i believe that shoulder fired weapons may be used by some US ships as a last resort type of deal... not sure.

Tactical Advantage · Post by **Tactical Advantage** » 2005-07-30 01:01

Well from what i understand, the current US version of the Stinger is the FIM-92, here's some more info on it...

The FIM-92 Stinger is a combat-proven, lightweight, impact-penetration, supersonic, fire-and-forget, multi-platform, air-to-air and surface-to-air missile developed to counter low level flying threats such as aircraft, helicopters, UAVs and cruise missiles. The Stinger missiles is man-portable and shoulder-fired and has been installed on ground vehicles to provide short-range/close-in air defense capability to ground military units. It has also been installed on helicopters for self-defense purposes.

The Stinger-RMP (Reprogrammable Microprocessor) was deployed in 1989 correcting known operational deficiencies. The Stinger-RMP is a reprogrammable missile meaning that no hardware changes are required to change missile's software. The Stinger-RMP adds an improved IR-UV (Infrared and Ultraviolet) seeker, Identification Friend or Foe (IFF), improved range, improved maneuverability and best performance in IR countermeasures (IRCM) environments to the baseline Stinger missile.

The changes applied to the Singer-RMP missile were the result of operational deficiencies assessments and the need to counter emerging sophisticated air threats. Raytheon and the US Army are carrying out a Preplanned Product Improvement (P3I) program to add new hardware to the Stinger missile improving its military capabilities.

Tactical Advantage · Post by **Tactical Advantage** » 2005-07-30 01:04

Also, here's a qoute from Navweapons.com...

The Stinger is a passive IR homing surface-to-air missile designed to counter low altitude, short range aircraft manufactured by Raytheon Missile Systems and also manufactured under license by Dornier. Intended for use on land by the Marines but since 1984 the Stinger has been issued to many US warships for point defense, particularly in Middle Eastern waters.
Stinger was extremely successful in Afghanistan, shooting down many Soviet helicopters and ground attack aircraft.

Post by **BrokenArrow** » 2005-07-30 01:20

cool i was right they do use them on ships.

Tacamo · Post by **Tacamo** » 2005-07-30 04:23

Hopefully in PR 20+mm weapons will be better at downing aircraft than .50 caliber ones.

Tactical Advantage · Post by **Tactical Advantage** » 2005-07-30 05:02

Tacamo wrote:Hopefully in PR 20+mm weapons will be better at downing aircraft than .50 caliber ones.

Good point, I think something like this should do the trick, unfortunitly it looks like it came from some garage expiriment gone bad, that thing is ugly...

Super62 · Post by **Super62** » 2005-07-30 06:33

Tactical Advantage wrote:
Tacamo wrote:Hopefully in PR 20+mm weapons will be better at downing aircraft than .50 caliber ones.
Good point, I think something like this should do the trick, unfortunitly it looks like it came from some garage expiriment gone bad, that thing is ugly...

Is that one of those 20mm AT guns? Like this. I can tell you one thing, they aren't AA, you couldn't fire fast enough. Its bolt action

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A Stinger seems good enough for me for AA, that is what they were designed to do

Post by **BrokenArrow** » 2005-07-30 06:55

i really dont understand what the point of those rifles is... the predator AT weapon only weighs 40 pounds, that rifle must weigh atleast double that

Djuice · Post by **Djuice** » 2005-07-30 07:50

hehe predator at only weighs 21 pound or 9,7 kgs..

Well the SRAW isnt a dedicated anti-armour weapon.. The warhead is fairly weak/small and not useful in punching a hole in the frontal armour of MBTs, they are usually only effective against the rear/top sections of MBTs whereby the armour is the weakest..

Those 20mm AMR are only useful against lightly armour APCs and vehicles, against MBTs they only used to destroy ERA platings..

Djuice · Post by **Djuice** » 2005-07-30 08:01

Also note that the muzzle velocity and speed of the SRAW and ERYX are gonna be changed as they already travel way slower then they are in real life.. So it might come in handy to destroy Helicopters.. but not Fighters/Bombers.

Tactical Advantage · Post by **Tactical Advantage** » 2005-07-30 17:16

In Reply To Super62

Im well aware that they dont fire fast, but for low flying helicopters, it should do the trick

Post by **BrokenArrow** » 2005-07-30 17:28

did i say predator? i meant javelin

... i think

TerribleOne · Post by **TerribleOne** » 2005-07-30 18:02

Super62 wrote:
Tactical Advantage wrote:
Tacamo wrote:Hopefully in PR 20+mm weapons will be better at downing aircraft than .50 caliber ones.
Good point, I think something like this should do the trick, unfortunitly it looks like it came from some garage expiriment gone bad, that thing is ugly...

Is that one of those 20mm AT guns? Like this. I can tell you one thing, they aren't AA, you couldn't fire fast enough. Its bolt action .

A Stinger seems good enough for me for AA, that is what they were designed to do

the bottom one is a 50AE you can tell by the length of the barrel and the grooves. the 20's have shorter barrel and obv thicker.

GABBA · Post by **GABBA** » 2005-07-30 19:43

How much ouch would there be after you fired that.?????

TerribleOne · Post by **TerribleOne** » 2005-07-30 20:23

GABBA wrote:How much ouch would there be after you fired that.?????

damaging recoil on weapons such as that arnt as bad as you would think (modern ones).
Also youl notices his other hand is holding another handle attached to the butt plate so he can stop allot of recoil going directly in to his shoulder...

Super62 · Post by **Super62** » 2005-07-30 21:00

TerribleOne wrote:
Super62 wrote:
Tactical Advantage wrote:
Good point, I think something like this should do the trick, unfortunitly it looks like it came from some garage expiriment gone bad, that thing is ugly...

Is that one of those 20mm AT guns? Like this. I can tell you one thing, they aren't AA, you couldn't fire fast enough. Its bolt action .

A Stinger seems good enough for me for AA, that is what they were designed to do
the bottom one is a 50AE you can tell by the length of the barrel and the grooves. the 20's have shorter barrel and obv thicker.

No that is not a .50 AE, it is a NTW 20mm.
http://club.guns.ru/eng/ntw20.html