An idea for the crewman kit

Superior Mind · Post by **Superior Mind** » 2007-03-03 19:02

I think that the crewman kit should carry an SMG not an assault rifle. I think it would be more realistic, as crewmen are intended to squeeze into vehicle cockpits. What do you think?

ArmedDrunk&Angry · Post by **ArmedDrunk&Angry** » 2007-03-03 19:04

I think that is on the list for new weapons being developed.
I'm pretty sure they were talking about a "shorty" SA80 as well.

Superior Mind · Post by **Superior Mind** » 2007-03-03 19:05

ArmedDrunk&Angry wrote:I think that is on the list for new weapons being developed.
I'm pretty sure they were talking about a "shorty" SA80 as well.

Oh I know what that gun is, I don't know if that would be the best choice for the UK, because I read up that the SA80 carbine variant is rarely used in the British armed forces.

Gyberg · Post by **Gyberg** » 2007-03-03 19:05

agree! anything to make drivers value their vehicle more instead of driving the apc straight into the cap zone.

$kelet0r · Post by **$kelet0r** » 2007-03-03 19:07

somewhat agree
The British will probably eventually get the L22 or the HK53, the US the M4, the PLA the current spec ops weapon the QBZ97 carbine and so on.
The MEC use the 7.62mm calibre which poses a problem (they shouldn't have the Hk53 at all - it's 5.56 NATO) so a G3KA4 (error? really stubby G3) probably needs to be modelled

Blackhawk 5 · Post by **Blackhawk 5** » 2007-03-03 19:25

US should have MP5

$kelet0r · Post by **$kelet0r** » 2007-03-03 19:26

no they shouldn't
US tank crews are issued the M4

Superior Mind · Post by **Superior Mind** » 2007-03-03 19:27

In that case, issue crewmen carbines.

$kelet0r · Post by **$kelet0r** » 2007-03-03 19:33

where's Bob when I need someone to back me up!
Although I might have to throw something at him if he mentions the P90

Ugly Duck · Post by **Ugly Duck** » 2007-03-03 19:41

The crewmans should be able to take the mounted .50 off the top of the tank and carry it round.

Gyberg · Post by **Gyberg** » 2007-03-03 19:47

YEAH! lol!

Post by **Bob_Marley** » 2007-03-03 20:33

$kelet0r wrote:where's Bob when I need someone to back me up!
Although I might have to throw something at him if he mentions the P90

Never fear! Bob is here!

Right, the US military issue their tank crews with the M4 carbine, because these days everyone in the US military gets the M4. Their tank crews never had MP5s, before they had M4s they had the M3 (Yes, grease guns.) and M9.

The British army issues the standard L85A2 to its tank crews. They were going to issue them L22s (aka SA80A2K), but this decision was changed and the L22 is now issued to apache crews.

The PLA I've no idea about, but I *believe* PLA tank crews used to be issued with the Type-85 so one would assume that when they switched from the 7.62x25mm to the 5.8x21mm they would have switched from the Type-85 to the Type-05. I'd say that PLA tank crews should either have the Type-05 or the Type-95 carbine.

The MEC pose a problem. 7.62x51mm + short barrel = lunacy. Arming them with the G3KA4 carbine or MC-51 ultrashort carbine makes little sense as I very much doubt that they are easy to use weapons that don’t require a great deal of training to use effectively. This makes them unsuitable for the PDW role.

Which brings us nicely to the P90. The weapon is used in the region (unlike the G3KA4 and MC-51) and is highly suitable for the PDW role, and as such would be an excellent choice for arming MEC tank crews with!

Eddie Baker · Post by **Eddie Baker** » 2007-03-03 20:39

Bob_Marley wrote:Which brings us nicely to the P90. The weapon is used in the region (unlike the G3KA4 and MC-51) and is highly suitable for the PDW role, and as such would be an exelent choice for arming MEC tank crews with!

Your suggestion will be ignored for spelling errors and for ending it with a preposition.

Viper5 · Post by **Viper5** » 2007-03-03 20:41

ouch

Yeah Marley is right bout US. I think Choppa pilots are issued M4s as well. Jet pilots are stuck with a Beretta. I'd think give MEC Crewman something like the AK-74U (The Insurgent Leader carbine)

Post by **Bob_Marley** » 2007-03-03 20:46

Ah well, cant have everything. At least I got an Ingram variant into the mod!

Oh yeah, I fixed the spelling. But I stand by my preposition, damn it!

Also, sorry lads... it looks like there won't be any M4s, L85/L22s, Type-05/Type-95s or P90s for tank crews because I couldn't spell.

Spaz · Post by **Spaz** » 2007-03-03 20:53

Someone told me that chopper pilots use the MP5, and like you sad tank crew M4, but i don't know anything about mec or PLA

Post by **Bob_Marley** » 2007-03-03 20:57

US army helicopter crews were issued MP5KA4s on a trial basis during Operation Gothic Serpent. Following less than satisfactory results it was decided not to acquire any more and instead seek a 5.56mm weapon for use by helicopter crews. They are (like everyone else in the US army) issued with the M4 carbine.

Spaz · Post by **Spaz** » 2007-03-03 21:05

Bob_Marley wrote:US army helicopter crews were issued MP5KA4s on a trial basis during Operation Gothic Serpent. Following less than satisfactory results it was decided not to acquire any more and instead seek a 5.56mm weapon for use by helicopter crews. They are (like everyone else in the US army) issued with the M4 carbine.

okey, but how can you get a M4 in a LB

But will there be M4 for all the kits in 0.6? Would love that

Sneak Attack · Post by **Sneak Attack** » 2007-03-03 21:09

yeahhhhhhhh AK-74 needs to be implemented.

and i bet bob would of abided by the law had he known the english police were going to show up.

Eddie Baker · Post by **Eddie Baker** » 2007-03-03 21:17

killallhomies wrote:okey, but how can you get a M4 in a LB

But will there be M4 for all the kits in 0.6? Would love that

It's only 30 inches long with the stock collapsed. Not that difficult.

On some maps.

BTW, Bob, you'd have to ask Strima about the L22 and armor crews. I believe he once said that they do plan to eventually issue them.

Here it is:

strima wrote:The carbine is being issued to vehicle crewmen. Most tankies have either the L85A2 or the Browning 9mm as ditch weapons. The carbine allows for easier movement in the vehicle especially with the 20 round mag and more firepower than 9mm.

My boys should be issued the carbine next year sometime, it will make life a little easier. The L85 is still easier to stow than the old SLR....