"But in real life..."

[Artnez]

I have a question for the devs of this mod...

Is this a mod that depicts real life?

or

Is this a mod that creates a combat situation based on real life?

..

The main reason I ask is from looking at the topic of the Defrib. I personally think keep it. It forces players to stick together... and it's a great seeing a medic go into the middle of a firefight to heal a wounded soldier.

It goes beyond the defrib though...

If your answer is choice 2 (which I hope it is), then maybe it's more important to simulate a real battle situation than to simulate real life. The idea is to have tactical firefights without bunny hopping, nade spamming and quake-style gameplay right?

The topic can go on forever I guess. Some people will say "but in real life" and others will say "but for gameplay".

Maybe its a much better idea to pick a style of play that the mod has provide and focus on hat.

For example..

I love not having an ammo count (even a clip count), no health bar, etc. I like the idea of keeping track of your ammo and magazines during a fight.

I like not knowing whether or not you're going to live or die after a shot and running to a medic to get you patched up.

[Beckwith]

as far as the "defib" debate iv felt just animating it so its a tourniquet is the best way to do it seeing as how thats the most common thing to bandage a wound, it gives you realism and also continues the relliance on keeping close to a medic,

[larrythecbleguy]

I don't mean this too be smart-alecky or anything but there is actually a magazine count in the bottom left corner of the screen.

[BrokenArrow]

ive had mixed feelings about a defib because usually if youre critically wounded youre out of the fight, but it does promnote teamwork.

as far as having a mag count, thats something you can check (as opposed to a round count) so it should stay.

[CobraPhantom]

Its realism as far as it can go, according to the python engine. When realism affects with gameplay, gameplay should always win. It can only go so far as a game, of course, without killing the game. Devs are trying to get it as close to realism as they possibly can, without harming gameplay.

And welcome to the forums if someone has already welcome you

[Beckwith]

well i think the most realitstic way to do it would be to have the hold bleeding out thing slowly occur when wounded and give each soldier 2 tourniquets which stop the bleed but dont add health back make it so they have to go to a medic to get there health back

[BrokenArrow]

i like becks idea, little aid kits with the soldiers would be great.

[Paladin-X]

In my opinion, the best place to start on a realism mod is to get as realistic as possible, then adjust as necessary for balance/gameplay.

[CobraPhantom]

i like becks idea

Mmmm, Becks.

[BrokenArrow]

poaladins idea is good also... HA no beer reference in that one bud! damnit i mean cobra!***

[Figisaacnewton]

Paladin-X]In my opinion, the best place to start on a realism mod is to get as realistic as possible, then adjust as necessary for balance/gameplay.

I think i once said those exact words long before i ever knew you... heh.

defibs are unrealistic, there are many proposed (trust me when i say many) medic ideas in these forums, but this is the mini mod here, don't expect a miracle.

[Beckwith]

again id say my suggestion is the most realistic way to do it at least that i can think of

A. every soldier carries 2 tourniquets which just stop the bleeding
B medics carry some sort of real medicine or animate them giving stitches which actually give the health back

[Scribble]

I have a question for the devs of this mod...

Is this a mod that depicts real life?

or

Is this a mod that creates a combat situation based on real life?

..

The main reason I ask is from looking at the topic of the Defrib. I personally think keep it. It forces players to stick together... and it's a great seeing a medic go into the middle of a firefight to heal a wounded soldier.

It goes beyond the defrib though...

If your answer is choice 2 (which I hope it is), then maybe it's more important to simulate a real battle situation than to simulate real life. The idea is to have tactical firefights without bunny hopping, nade spamming and quake-style gameplay right?

The topic can go on forever I guess. Some people will say "but in real life" and others will say "but for gameplay".

Maybe its a much better idea to pick a style of play that the mod has provide and focus on hat.

For example..

I love not having an ammo count (even a clip count), no health bar, etc. I like the idea of keeping track of your ammo and magazines during a fight.

I like not knowing whether or not you're going to live or die after a shot and running to a medic to get you patched up.

I agree completely with this: What I hope the Devs will seek to achieve is not a reality by the numbers mod, but a Modification that seeks to create a realistic feeling tactical combat game. If coding 'real' weapons values results in creating a game that promotes grenade and sniper spam. Then the values should be tweeked to prevent this. The game should (I hope) always put 'feel' before statistics.

[Beckwith]

and what if realistic feel still makes the snipers feel powerful because by numbers or "feel" a snipers rifle is still a very deadly and accurate weapon

[Artnez]

and what if realistic feel still makes the snipers feel powerful because by numbers or "feel" a snipers rifle is still a very deadly and accurate weapon

Trust me, a sniper is not more powerful than an assaulter is.

The sniper is "cool", that's the problem.

A sniper is considered "the best" shot. He's stealthy, he's quick, he's got a cool ghillie suit. He shoots from a distance and his gun looks cool, no matter which one it is.

Unfortunately though, the sniper shouldn't even be in this game. There's no tactical use for him on this battlefield.

Snipers are supposed to take out high priority targets.

Now sharpshooters, on the other hand, should be in the game. The are part of the actual squad. They provide much needed cover at a medium distance.

[BrokenArrow]

snipers are also supposed to scout and report back to their team about what they can expect when they try to take a CP. they most definitly have a tactical use in this game. not to mention they can bog down an enemy infantry advance by forcing them to take cover, tend to their wounded and spot them out for friendly artillery or aircraft or infantry to neutralize them.

[F-Hoernchen]

In real life medics can only stop the bleeding the cant give the health back - how should they do this - with drugs?

So i think make it like in americas army - if a medic didnt stop the bleeding the injured soldier runs out of blood and died.....
So u have a new part of teamwork between medics and injured soldiers!

[Artnez]

In real life medics can only stop the bleeding the cant give the health back - how should they do this - with drugs?

So i think make it like in americas army - if a medic didnt stop the bleeding the injured soldier runs out of blood and died.....
So u have a new part of teamwork between medics and injured soldiers!

I agree, actually.

Also, in Americas Army, you didn't really die from alot of blood loss. The blood would degrade until you had VERY little health left and stopped.

The only times you would die from blood loss is if you get shot up while you were already injured.

[DuckCommander]

and what if realistic feel still makes the snipers feel powerful because by numbers or "feel" a snipers rifle is still a very deadly and accurate weapon

Trust me, a sniper is not more powerful than an assaulter is.

The sniper is "cool", that's the problem.

A sniper is considered "the best" shot. He's stealthy, he's quick, he's got a cool ghillie suit. He shoots from a distance and his gun looks cool, no matter which one it is.

Unfortunately though, the sniper shouldn't even be in this game. There's no tactical use for him on this battlefield.

Snipers are supposed to take out high priority targets.

Now sharpshooters, on the other hand, should be in the game. The are part of the actual squad. They provide much needed cover at a medium distance.

Or a Designated Marksman.

[worst 3]

i like the idead of no ammo count, the clip count should be there (like it is now) but when you relod u throw a way the clip could u make it so if you hold down the reload buton you can save the clip for later i like to be prapared affter killin 1 guy and i have planty of time to reload the clip with has 25 shots still i would but it back and use it if i ran totaly out.