Suggestions regarding damage from Brentos!!!

Brentos · Post by **Brentos** » 2005-11-04 01:24

Suggestions:

Only light vehicles (Humvee, FAV or whatever that buggy is, other buggies, vans, cars, SUVs, etc) should explode when struck by a rocket, missile, or bomb. Other vehicles such as Bradleys, LAVs, BMPs, and aircraft (jets AND helicopters) and whatever else is supposed to be in PRMM should not explode when struck by such weapons. Instead, they should become immobilized and severely damaged, while having their computer systems rendered useless. But if the vehicle is hit by enough rockets/missiles/etc, it should blow up.

Examples:

Humvee is hit by rocket.

Abrams is hit by several RPGs. It becomes immobilized.

UH60 hit by RPG. It goes into a tailspin and hits the ground.

BMP is hit by Mk82 (I forgot the number... is that the right one?). It becomes immobilized and it cannot fire its weapon.

MiG-29 is hit by AIM-120. Ailerons, elevators, or rudder and all systems stop working. Pilot can eject.

How do you like the idea?

Post by **BrokenArrow** » 2005-11-04 02:17

humvee is hit by a rocket..... and?

i think that planes can explode if theyre hit with missiles, theyre fragile, filled with fuel and ordnance.

also some tanks do explode, you always hear of iraqi tanks having their turrets blown off by coaliton tanks.

Brentos · Post by **Brentos** » 2005-11-04 02:22

Oops, I accidentally erased the part after "Humvee gets bit by rocket."

I meant to conclude that with "It explodes."

Anyway, in the footage when you see a fighter get hit with a missile, it looks mangled and burned, while burning and going out of control.

Post by **BrokenArrow** » 2005-11-04 02:29

but of all the things besides a humvee im sure its the most likely to explode, of course there are times where it is mangled and burned and out of control, but i think a skin to skin hit (like the ones in BF2) would pretty much demolish a fighter. also the ejection seat idea was tried by dice, it didnt work out well.

worst 3 · Post by **worst 3** » 2005-11-04 02:48

humvee should not explod the roket explosion would be the only explosion if it was hit, it might burn becuse of gas but it would not explod unless it had explosives in it. the gas tank would not blow up easly and not realy that big. gas when it in the tank is a not gas and would burn, also not the right amout of o2 to make a gas tank blow. not many things just explode if shot, they would need explosives.

Brentos · Post by **Brentos** » 2005-11-04 03:14

OK, how 'bout if an RPG/Eryx/etc hits a certain hit box on an unarmored vehicle (probably the fuel tank), it explodes? If it hits another spot, the vehicle will become mangled and fiery

worst 3 · Post by **worst 3** » 2005-11-04 04:05

explosions are not realistic at all, bullets will not make something explode, unless it is an unstable explosive (c4 will not even blow up if shot) gas tanks will not explode if shot, not only that I heard a story of a hummve running over a at mine and the crew survived. the hummer was twisted metal but the men survived in side and if there is a big explosion like a ½ ton boom you probably would not see the small gas explosion. a tank might explod if you hit the munitions. gas will not explode simply becuse it dose not have the o2 when in a tank, probaly same with a plane or tank (but there gas they use is diffrent so i cant say for sure). gas could burn a person, but they use diesel with dose not burn like gas to i forgot that. diesel is used in hummers and tanks (not he M1A2 i think) it need to be comppresed to explode. (if there was an explosion it might explode becuse of the pressure for the explosion, but the first explosion would be the problem not the diesel) all in all most veicles will burn if that usualy they just dont work any more.

GRB · Post by **GRB** » 2005-11-04 14:04

worst 3 wrote:humvee should not explod the roket explosion would be the only explosion if it was hit, it might burn becuse of gas but it would not explod unless it had explosives in it. the gas tank would not blow up easly and not realy that big. gas when it in the tank is a not gas and would burn, also not the right amout of o2 to make a gas tank blow. not many things just explode if shot, they would need explosives.

Precisely my point in the thread i started...But nOOO, no one will read it because its too long. Hey man, check out the thread i created on realistic damage and logic: http://realitymod.com/forum/t2374-real- ... logic.html

Brentos · Post by **Brentos** » 2005-11-04 23:34

GRB · Post by **GRB** » 2005-11-04 23:57

Aww, dont cry dude. Its ok, EA Games will wake up and smell the coffee one of these days...Hopefully..

Enforcer1975 · Post by **Enforcer1975** » 2005-11-05 13:30

worst 3 wrote:humvee should not explod the roket explosion would be the only explosion if it was hit, it might burn becuse of gas but it would not explod unless it had explosives in it. the gas tank would not blow up easly and not realy that big. gas when it in the tank is a not gas and would burn, also not the right amout of o2 to make a gas tank blow. not many things just explode if shot, they would need explosives.

If you hit a gas tank with hot shrapnel it will be torn apart and the fuel will be ignited, but in most cases it doesn't explode. It's more a low speed-detonation.

The AT missles used in BF2 would make any light or unarmored vehicle explode. These rockets are used against MBTs. And jeeps etc. are much smaller targets.

btw...why don't the passengers of an attack buggy die when hit by HEI ammo from the APC?? This vehicle isn't closed like a car...

GRB · Post by **GRB** » 2005-11-05 15:53

Enforcer1975 wrote:The AT missles used in BF2 would make any light or unarmored vehicle explode. These rockets are used against MBTs. And jeeps etc. are much smaller targets.

No they wouldnt. They are a shaped charge. They would go right through it like butter. Like someone already said, the only explosion that would take place would be the initial rocket explosion. Anti-Armor rounds have a shaped charge and all the initial explosion does is push that hot molten charge through the armor to try and do as much damage as possible. Still, nothing explodes.

Even if the AT missile was to hit the gas tank, it would simply ignite a very violent fire. In which case anyone inside would be extremely burned. The initial explosion MIGHT blow a decent hole in the side, or where ever it was hit, of the light vehicle...

But shaped charges are not designed for light vehicles like that for a reason.

Enforcer1975 · Post by **Enforcer1975** » 2005-11-05 16:26

GRB wrote:No they wouldnt. They are a shaped charge. They would go right through it like butter. Like someone already said, the only explosion that would take place would be the initial rocket explosion. Anti-Armor rounds have a shaped charge and all the initial explosion does is push that hot molten charge through the armor to try and do as much damage as possible. Still, nothing explodes.

Even if the AT missile was to hit the gas tank, it would simply ignite a very violent fire. In which case anyone inside would be extremely burned. The initial explosion MIGHT blow a decent hole in the side, or where ever it was hit, of the light vehicle...

But shaped charges are not designed for light vehicles like that for a reason.

I've seen 1 Sidewinder fly through a plane without exploding ( on that AIM9-x video ) yet the plane was destroyed.
But still the "armor" of a humvee or even the chassis of a car itself is dense enough to trigger a heat warhead. With the "jet" expanding inside the vehicle which is actually nothing else than liquid metal the people will be killed either by the jetstream ( i don't think somebody can survive over 1000°C @ up to 12km/s; see Wikipedia "shaped charge" ) of by parts of the vehicle itself ( depends on where it is hit ). All in all there is still some explosive energy to trigger the warhead.

Figisaacnewton · Post by **Figisaacnewton** » 2005-11-05 16:55

...I think that there would be a large explosion, but not as large as BF2 style ones, where the entire Humvee just explodes into a 1991 'highway of death' sytleburning chunk.

I think it'd be closer to a really large explosion graphic that majorley distorts the paint job and kills everybody inside, as well as making a big *** hole in one or 2 parts.

On the greater subject, PR should work like DCR, with things not so much exploding as they would just get imobilized and catch on fire, renderieng them nearly useless. Health bars need to be done away with as much as possible, and replaced by a 'your alive or your dead' system, wherre everything is either alive or dead. bullets shouldn't hurt the humvee itself, they should just go through and hit the people inside (if the spot is unarmored).l

Enforcer1975 · Post by **Enforcer1975** » 2005-11-05 18:01

Figisaacnewton wrote:...I think that there would be a large explosion, but not as large as BF2 style ones, where the entire Humvee just explodes into a 1991 'highway of death' sytleburning chunk.

I think it'd be closer to a really large explosion graphic that majorley distorts the paint job and kills everybody inside, as well as making a big *** hole in one or 2 parts.

On the greater subject, PR should work like DCR, with things not so much exploding as they would just get imobilized and catch on fire, renderieng them nearly useless. Health bars need to be done away with as much as possible, and replaced by a 'your alive or your dead' system, wherre everything is either alive or dead. bullets shouldn't hurt the humvee itself, they should just go through and hit the people inside (if the spot is unarmored).l

Do humvees have reinforced windows? I do think the doors and chassis are vulnerable to small arms fire. Maybe they did it correct in the movie BHD. The humvees were full of holes there.

worst 3 · Post by **worst 3** » 2005-11-07 02:21

veicles dont realy explode it is that simple.

they would mostly burn do to fabrics and ruber. diesel dose not ignite from a spark so it would not burn form geting hit by a bulet (it might explode from a deirect hit from a rocket but again the diesel would not be the problem any more).

shaped charges from rockets dont "explode", there make to make a small hole in the armor and spray liquid metal on ever one. there is an explosion but not like a bomb.

most things just burn after an explosion and maby if a luckey shot hits gas and not diesle.

humve doors are armored i belive. think the crew are is all armored (maby not the top so much)

(we should get molotov cocktails for the mec)

Post by **BrokenArrow** » 2005-11-07 02:25

humvee doors are armored but not very well.

Mad Max · Post by **Mad Max** » 2005-11-07 02:42

Humvee's aren't armoured at all (regular ones, obviously up-armoured oens are). They're what the DoD call "psychological armour" where they make you think it has armour so you'll be ok to get in the thing and go out hunting so to speak. Most small arms can penetrate the doors and so on, although I think the glass is reinforced, which is probably the only bit that's meant to actually withstand a bullet. There's been countless complaints by commanders in Iraq who are loosing them left right and centre, not that they care about the humvee's, but the men inside who get torn apart because of it.

Post by **BrokenArrow** » 2005-11-07 21:16

so i was even being optimistic there. unfortunate that they use psychological 'tricks' i guess you'dd call them on their own troops.