Entrenching tool as mêlée weapon.

.:iGi:. Eggenberg4Ever · Post by **.:iGi:. Eggenberg4Ever** » 2007-09-22 12:22

OK, I'm sure this has been touted before but I did a search and couldn't find it as a standalone suggestion.

Can the shovel/entrenching tool be made a mêlée weapon or is it hardcoded?

Not only is the shovel used for digging, cooking etc but it's use as a weapon in CQB could be better than the knife.

Expendable Grunt · Post by **Expendable Grunt** » 2007-09-22 12:36

Been suggested. TBH it would be better than a knife for "arresting" civis.

Which reminds me, knifing an insurgent fighter shouldn't give intel.

.:iGi:. Eggenberg4Ever · Post by **.:iGi:. Eggenberg4Ever** » 2007-09-22 12:52

Yeah, I knew it'd been suggested but it must be hidden inside another topic. I feel it needs a topic of its own to determine whether it can be done and to gauge opinion as to whether players felt it would be a good idea.

You're in agreement mate. So now there's 2 of us

Can you imagine a full on assault of the shovel brigade? I know I can

BetterDeadThanRed · Post by **BetterDeadThanRed** » 2007-09-22 13:50

Expendable Grunt wrote: Which reminds me, knifing an insurgent fighter shouldn't give intel.

Why not, you are capturing them aren't you?

mammikoura · Post by **mammikoura** » 2007-09-22 13:59

well.. obviously it would require some work and woulnd't change anything about the gameplay since we already have knifes as melee weapons.
So I don't really think it's needed.

.:iGi:. Von_Stylon · Post by **.:iGi:. Von_Stylon** » 2007-09-22 14:01

id love to hit a civ in the face with a shovel. would be fun to have shovel fights lol

.:iGi:. Eggenberg4Ever · Post by **.:iGi:. Eggenberg4Ever** » 2007-09-22 15:00

Jonny wrote:you already have the shovel out to build things, so those people wouldn't be so defenseless and wouldn't need to change weapon to hit someone..

Exactly!

Do away with an engineers knife model (if possible) and replace with the shovel, slightly extended damage range/radius (whichever) and replace the knife's sound effect with a satisfying "Doiiinnnnnggg!"

Wayyyy beyond any capability I possess: any volunteers

bearking19 · Post by **bearking19** » 2007-09-22 16:03

lol whacking people on the head with shovels. then we can have shovel fights now ! Thats gonna be more cool than knife fights and super funny too.

Threedroogs · Post by **Threedroogs** » 2007-09-22 18:10

there's an awesome documentary on the Eastern Front in WWII called the War of the Century (go out and rent or buy it immediately if you are a WWII buff). in this doc, a russian soldier who fought in stalingrad discussed CQB. he said that his shovel was by far the best CQB weapon he had. the way he discussed it made it sound real horrorshow. i would love to see someone jam a shovel into an insurgent's head someday...

<edit> if you have netflix you can watch this doc on the website itself!

.:iGi:. Eggenberg4Ever · Post by **.:iGi:. Eggenberg4Ever** » 2007-09-22 18:17

Entrenching and tools were sharpened at the sides and were used as hatchets to horrific effect in WW1 & 2 and throughout the history of warfare.

SGT.JOKER · Post by **SGT.JOKER** » 2007-09-22 21:09

making the E-Tool a melee weapon would bring back memories of BF:1918......ah those were the days, shoveling people to death

Expendable Grunt · Post by **Expendable Grunt** » 2007-09-22 22:54

When I got to that mod nobody was playing it :<

Harrod200 · Post by **Harrod200** » 2007-09-23 00:41

Hmm, turning the Etool into a weapon would make the knife obsolete and a space free to be replaced with more useful stuff.

Tho it would increase the number of accidental TKs during building.

Expendable Grunt · Post by **Expendable Grunt** » 2007-09-23 00:51

I like the knife.

blud · Post by **blud** » 2007-09-23 17:43

I'd like a melee shovel too, but you know they are never going to do that lol.

.:iGi:. Eggenberg4Ever · Post by **.:iGi:. Eggenberg4Ever** » 2007-09-23 17:50

Jonny wrote:Not if you used the spade to 'stun' people, and the knife to kill.

Instant blurred vision as a result