For future reference....

[=TC=]nuetron · Post by **[=TC=]nuetron** » 2007-10-29 23:31

Now, i would like to say nothing is wrong with PR and its a great mod balancing realism and fun quite well...
but as we all know, if this path is continued EVENTAULLY it wont be fun.
but when that day comes and it cant be more realistic and you need ideas i have some for the future

Vehicles
-(british) HAP Tiger used along side the Apache Longbow since both are advanced, and in service with the British
-(Iranian) F-14 used when the F15 will be put back in, this will act as a counterpart since they are still in service with the Iranian air force, it is still advanced, and it is a great dogfighter

Armies
-Turkish army used in a few battles in north-western Iraq either AAS(clearing house to house chasing the insurgents) or Insurgent mode(clearing out houses to find weapons and hault any attacks on Turkey)
-Iraqi National Police used in 1 or 2 maps they have the ability to: go into mosques.......thats all about the special things they can do that normal forces cant........ and the Spec Ops kit can be a US Spec Ops or US Assault"trainer"
*maybe even if you get bored*
-Afghan northern allience using old Afghan army equiptment like T72s, ZPU AAA, trucks I would suggest the SU-25 since it is in service with the Afghan air force...but you wouldnt agree with me....and they might not have any left.

ryan d ale · Post by **ryan d ale** » 2007-10-29 23:54

I love your threads lol

Stop trying to make this Project Balance with aircraft!

Devs have far too much on thier hands as it is they do have lifes and they are supporting community mods too. They don't need whole new factions to work on to the additional load of the past few months.

[=TC=]nuetron · Post by **[=TC=]nuetron** » 2007-10-30 00:10

ryan d ale;519035 wrote:I love your threads lol
Stop trying to make this Project Balance with aircraft!

uhhhh...thanks i guess
im not, thats why i didnt say the Afghan SU-25 should be put in, its hard for the poor DEV team, and it might not be in Afghanistan anymore........it is but its likley scrap metal near an old battlefield.

i know that, but im saying FOR FUTURE REFERENCE...usually means for the future....when things slow down and they arent as busy

BetterDeadThanRed · Post by **BetterDeadThanRed** » 2007-10-30 00:12

Please do a little more research before posting.

I'd like to see your reference that PAH-2s tigers are in service with the British military, and for the love of god don't say euroforce.

Su-25s are not known to have been in service in the afghan airforce, they don't even have one anymore and won't for at least a decade.

And for the record, have you checked the community modding forum? We have quite enough armies for now.

[=TC=]nuetron · Post by **[=TC=]nuetron** » 2007-10-30 00:52

BetterDeadThanRed wrote: Su-25s are not known to have been in service in the afghan airforce, they don't even have one anymore and won't for at least a decade.

And for the record, have you checked the community modding forum? We have quite enough armies for now.

ok, so i couldnt find a link showing it is in service yet, or any link not having to do with models so i guess the HAP Tiger is off the list

ok, as i said I DID NOTsuggest the SU-25, it is not longer there, its scrap metal on the desert floor, and the DEV team would have to go through heck to scale back the armament to dumb-bombs and rockets if they were to make one, im NOT suggesting the "Crow" for the Afghan Army

and as i said before "for future reference" so when things slow down and the DEV team has spare time and the ideas come slowly. I know they have alot on their plate now and they are on a roll but IF things slow down.........i should have named this just in case thread.

ryan d ale · Post by **ryan d ale** » 2007-10-30 03:06

It's a poitn Neutron but the dev team at that point will be us! lol These lovely chaps will have moved on & all the best to them! Well... thoose that are willing will have moved on.

But yeah the SU25 would be wicked and fun but yeah I love Afghanistan and I'd like to go there if it was peaceful to look at old hulks of russian stuff and to sunbathe and stuff.

With P.R on a laptop and cocktail waitress. Or Ale waitress.. yeah.

[=TC=]nuetron · Post by **[=TC=]nuetron** » 2007-10-30 03:27

ya, thats true.....if they start running out of stuff, by time i re-submit my idea(if im not already in or back from Iraq) then we might see PR v1.something FINAL

but i was just reading up, and they are going to put in HAMAS. I think a good team to eventually put in(if not Turkish, Iraqi police or Afghan army) would be the Israeli Defense Force. best in the world, we rarley see them actually DEFENDING like in their name, but the thing is, what GAJ would they have??? Not the A10, they refused it. Maybe the SU39 or SU25, i was just reading an article saying an Israeli company was making a variant of the SU25..

or they could just use AT weapons on their 2 seater F16s

Teek · Post by **Teek** » 2007-10-30 05:52

'[=TC= wrote:nuetron;519152']ya, thats true.....if they start running out of stuff, by time i re-submit my idea(if im not already in or back from Iraq) then we might see PR v1.something FINAL

but i was just reading up, and they are going to put in HAMAS. I think a good team to eventually put in(if not Turkish, Iraqi police or Afghan army) would be the Israeli Defense Force. best in the world, we rarley see them actually DEFENDING like in their name, but the thing is, what GAJ would they have??? Not the A10, they refused it. Maybe the SU39 or SU25, i was just reading an article saying an Israeli company was making a variant of the SU25..

or they could just use AT weapons on their 2 seater F16s

You should read more. The Comunity is puting in IDF, with Hamas by extention.
I dont think the IDF was ever Attacking, mostly they defend. Summer Confict was defence movment, 73 war was defencinve, 6 day war was denfensive

hx.bjoffe · Post by **hx.bjoffe** » 2007-10-30 14:07

Teek wrote: I dont think the IDF was ever Attacking, mostly they defend. Summer Confict was defence movment, 73 war was defencinve, 6 day war was denfensive

Not trying to hijack, or make it political.
But Israel didnt double its terretory simply by "defending."

Wasteland · Post by **Wasteland** » 2007-10-30 16:16

A nation with serious security concerns can justify many kinds of measures as defensive, including territorial expansion, pre-emptive air strikes, and limited incursions into neighboring areas. When these measures take the form of settling to meet religious obligations, and the military moves to support this form of expansion, that's when it's not justifiable in any secular way.

This is really more a political distinction though. In a purely military tactical sense (such as what form AAS should take) we can all agree that the IDF has and likely will continue to fill the role alternatively holding and taking territory.

BetterDeadThanRed · Post by **BetterDeadThanRed** » 2007-10-30 19:15

'[=TC= wrote:nuetron;519063']ok, so i couldnt find a link showing it is in service yet, or any link not having to do with models so i guess the HAP Tiger is off the list

ok, as i said I DID NOTsuggest the SU-25, it is not longer there, its scrap metal on the desert floor, and the DEV team would have to go through heck to scale back the armament to dumb-bombs and rockets if they were to make one, im NOT suggesting the "Crow" for the Afghan Army

and as i said before "for future reference" so when things slow down and the DEV team has spare time and the ideas come slowly. I know they have alot on their plate now and they are on a roll but IF things slow down.........i should have named this just in case thread.

Perhaps I wasn't making myself clear.

The UK will NEVER use the tiger at least for the foreseeable future.

The most advanced aircraft the Afghans ever fielded was A Mig-21. Notice the whole A part. (That means a grand total of 1) Enjoy.

Here's a list of factions:

USMC
MEC
PLA
GB
Insurgents
Militia
US Army
Canada
Russia
Israel
Hamas
Poland

In case you haven't noticed, we are good for this mod for a long, long time.

This mod will long be dead or moved on before people ever get bored with that many armies, trust me. Anything else is just a complete waste of resources that will be better spent on the factions we currently have.

Thank you, and good night!

[=TC=]nuetron · Post by **[=TC=]nuetron** » 2007-10-31 00:35

BetterDeadThanRed wrote:Perhaps I wasn't making myself clear.

The most advanced aircraft the Afghans ever fielded was A Mig-21. Notice the whole A part. (That means a grand total of 1) Enjoy.

In case you haven't noticed, we are good for this mod for a long, long time.

Ya, in case you didnt read my second reply this is what i said:
I DIDNT SUGGEST THE SU-25 FOR AFGHANISTAN
and also once again i DIDNT say: hey, lets make this happen right here right now people! i said:
"Ya, right now the DEV team is busy, but FOR THE FUTURE"

But yes, a person named Ryan D ale and i already discussed this and yes, by time things start to slow down the DEV team might quit PR and move on with their lives & other mods so......
saying the same thing again but being a .... mean guy about is......... well you get the point, we already talked about it and its done finished, and your just bringing up dead subjects

besides, i didnt want to say THE IDF IS GONNA BE IN PR(eventhought i read the HAMAS/IDF thread), because what i read didnt say it was official

agentscar · Post by **agentscar** » 2007-10-31 03:05

This mod seems fine for a while...The more realistic it gets the funner!It's not very long,but I've been playing PR since the day v0.5 was released.I found out about the mod right before it's release.

Iran doesn't use the F-15...

We need ISF (Iraqi Security Forces)which is Iraq Army and National Police,so yea,Iraqi National Police,but preferably,the Iraq Army...

I love Brits. being in Basrah on here,but if Iraq Army is ever added,it'd be cool to have them in that map.Please not Iraqi National Police though...I feel the two are getting confused.

[=TC=]nuetron · Post by **[=TC=]nuetron** » 2007-10-31 04:09

agentscar wrote:Iran doesn't use the F-15...

We need ISF (Iraqi Security Forces)which is Iraq Army and National Police,so yea,Iraqi National Police,but preferably,the Iraq Army...
Please not Iraqi National Police though...I feel the two are getting confused.

i didnt say the Iranian F15, i said Iranian F-14
(really, i mean "MEC" but with the Iranain flag on it, like the Iraqi SU25)
but ya, i got confused, the ISF would be good
But have the Spec Ops kit as a US Spec ops or watever
Maybe have the A10 back in Basra(thats the Arabic version, not Al Basrah) if you spawn with the US kit

*sigh* i miss a CAS jet in Al Basrah, now.......servers dont even have the Apache so theres no excitement in Basra, they need the TornadoCAS or the EurofighterCAS....if those even exist

AnRK · Post by **AnRK** » 2007-10-31 19:39

I don't really get your suggestion. You seem to be saying that if PR gets any more realistic then it won't be any fun, which is fair enough because that's your opinion.

However I don't get how sticking in a load of new stuff would fix the gameplay if that's the kinda thing you didn't like. Especially for the jets, because when they get the handling right and the AA as devastating as it's supposed to be, then they'll be no fun at all to people who aren't interested in realism.

I don't get how the immense air superiority of the Americans made Al Basrah any fun. Did you ever play as the Insurgents on that map, constantly been taken out by A-10 and Cobra/Apache cannons wasn't very fun.

ryan d ale · Post by **ryan d ale** » 2007-11-01 00:04

AnRK wrote: I don't get how the immense air superiority of the Americans made Al Basrah any fun. Did you ever play as the Insurgents on that map, constantly been taken out by A-10 and Cobra/Apache cannons wasn't very fun.

Correct. People should go and buy a flight sim or play SP if they're into that. Although I will admit being an insurgent and getting the Cobra down was certainly fun (but we don't have unlimited RPG's for that anymore). No guidance systems FTW!

[=TC=]nuetron · Post by **[=TC=]nuetron** » 2007-11-01 06:29

i get what you mean by that and i also respect your opinion in return

AnRK wrote: I don't get how the immense air superiority of the Americans made Al Basrah any fun. Did you ever play as the Insurgents on that map, constantly been taken out by A-10 and Cobra/Apache cannons wasn't very fun.

but, i only got pwned by the A10 when in the T72(which i think they should put back in, IDC what team, i just think it should be in there)
but i was literally NEVER killed as insurgernt by the A10 when i wasnt in a vehicle, which I wasnt driving, just some guy driving fast in the open desert, so i couldnt bail or hide in the urban enviorment.
But the A10 ruled all of Al Basrah, now, there is no REAL air power in Basra, just some guys in the Merlin with L85s

Post by **Cheeseman** » 2007-11-01 07:05

What does an "Iranian F-14" have to do with PR? do you see any Iranians in PR? I'll answer for you, NO.

Post by **Jaymz** » 2007-11-01 08:17

Debating what the Iranian air force uses, arguing about Israeli territory, Iraqi police? This is going nowhere fast.