Killing Civilians: Tactical?

kckid2599 · Post by **kckid2599** » 2007-12-27 03:23

I'm just curious, does anyone find it necessary in some cases to kill a civi? For instance:

1.You see one somewhat far away and about to discover your RP or something else you're trying to hide.

2.One is spotting you and/or blowing you and/or your squad's cover

3.You're already wounded and one is throwing rocks at you.

4.You want those sexy red Nikes.

Are any of these good enough reasons?

Heskey · Post by **Heskey** » 2007-12-27 03:51

kckid2599 wrote:1.You see one somewhat far away and about to discover your RP or something else you're trying to hide.

I'd say that's good basis to shoot; provided the RP is in a VITAL location, and not just there for the sake of being closer to the combat.

kckid2599 wrote:2.One is spotting you and/or blowing you and/or your squad's cover.

That's kinda one of their primary roles, so this should be no ground to shoot him - Just move out of sight, and hunt the hunters.

kckid2599 wrote:3.You're already wounded and one is throwing rocks at you.

The loss of 1 ticket from dying is preferable to the enemy gaining 10 tickets from you retaliating; of course, if he's in range to chuck stones at you, you're in range to knife him!

kckid2599 wrote:4.You want those sexy red Nikes.

Absolutely.

<1sk>Headshot · Post by **<1sk>Headshot** » 2007-12-27 04:55

The civilians encourage less tactical play among Brits. When you have civis spotting you all around, often the best thing to do is rush in like headless chickens and attempt to win with sheer infantry skill alone.

Maybe this is the intention of the all-mighty DVEs no-one knows.

Anyway, that's what I do if I'm being constantly spotted.

torenico · Post by **torenico** » 2007-12-27 17:27

Its not tactic.. well.. i a "Waste of Tickets"

One day, i see a little group of civs.. in basrah obiusly, i have the AK47, i was alone on my fireteam, so they join.. (just 2 of 3) he talk to me whit VOIP and he told me "I will be your shield" =O, i killed 2 guys.. he died.. and then i dead too

and the last.. i TK'ed him

00SoldierofFortune00 · Post by **00SoldierofFortune00** » 2007-12-27 17:39

H3eadshot wrote:The civilians encourage less tactical play among Brits. When you have civis spotting you all around, often the best thing to do is rush in like headless chickens and attempt to win with sheer infantry skill alone.

Maybe this is the intention of the all-mighty DVEs no-one knows.

Anyway, that's what I do if I'm being constantly spotted.

Hence why the spotting system is being reworked. Civilians make the British think before they shoot for else they will pay the consequences for it. How is that not tactical?

torenico · Post by **torenico** » 2007-12-28 07:15

The civilians , on good hands.. those guys are the best weapons of all.. i imagine them on the most Teamwork event.. (maybe Forgotten Honor.. cool =D and PR Tournament not tested [by me])

MadTommy · Post by **MadTommy** » 2007-12-28 09:29

1. No (move your rally )
2. No (that is their main purpose in the field, capture them or leave the area)
3. No (that is just a smacktard comment)
4. No (might be the only half logical reason

)

They are all ridiculous.. there is never a good reason to waste your teams tickets simply to make 'your' life a little easier.

Brummy · Post by **Brummy** » 2007-12-28 14:22

Reason 4.

Definitely.

Soulja · Post by **Soulja** » 2007-12-28 16:27

You know. I never got shot at in my time there but in reality if i was in a firefight and a civilian was treating the wounds of the insurgents, telling them where we were and throwing rocks at me, that *******'s getting a 5.56 through the skull.

Ablack77 · Post by **Ablack77** » 2007-12-28 17:40

Soulja wrote:You know. I never got shot at in my time there but in reality if i was in a firefight and a civilian was treating the wounds of the insurgents, telling them where we were and throwing rocks at me, that *******'s getting a 5.56 through the skull.

And I guess you would be court marshaled and receive a dishonorable discharge?

The answer to all excuses is NO
There is NO excuse for working against your team and costing them tickets IMHO.

Can't wait for 0.7 and the spotting changes, Civies shouldn't be so much of a threat, And hopefully ppl won't be so tempted to shoot them.

Death_dx · Post by **Death_dx** » 2007-12-28 17:50

4) Yes, but shoot him in the knees so he doesn't try to run away and scuff them.

Soulja · Post by **Soulja** » 2007-12-28 18:25

Ablack77 wrote:And I guess you would be court marshaled and receive a dishonorable discharge?

Probably not, if he was attacking you with rocks and assisting the insurgents wouldn't that label him as a combatant? Plus I could always say I thought he had a grenade, not a rock!

Hides-His-Eyes · Post by **Hides-His-Eyes** » 2008-01-01 12:56

00SoldierofFortune00 wrote:Hence why the spotting system is being reworked. Civilians make the British think before they shoot for else they will pay the consequences for it. How is that not tactical?

that's what it *ought* to do

Getting shot as a civilian is depressingly easy

USMC_Cook · Post by **USMC_Cook** » 2008-01-04 21:15

Ablack77 wrote:And I guess you would be court marshaled and receive a dishonorable discharge?

If you just to decided to shoot a civillian, you will end up in prison. Of course, the in-game civillians aren't really civillians at all. If you're in Iraq and you see a guy spotting you with binos while talking on a radio during a firefight, you can engage that person. At that point, they are no longer considered civillians.

IAJTHOMAS · Post by **IAJTHOMAS** » 2008-01-06 12:23

It should be noted that according to the guide, the insurgents GAIN tickets on a civi's death, the brits do not lose tickets. If this is still correct, the only negative consequence for the team, as oppossed to the individual, is that you lose 3 intellegence points.

Therefore, if all the cahces are discovered and civies are causing an issue, shooting them may be for the greater good. Not condoing the practice, just setting it out as i read it. To avoid this the Brit team should lose tickets, and maybe be given a few extra initial tickets, if it seems rounds are being cut prematurely short too often.

Post by **LeadMagnet** » 2008-01-06 14:27

If they're providing aid and intel to the insurgents at the cost of your own team/squad then they're going down, easy as that.

SGT.JOKER · Post by **SGT.JOKER** » 2008-01-06 19:55

You forgot reason 5

5: You want to see the person playing as the civi complain about being shot

I always get a kick outta that

Oink-Blabber · Post by **Oink-Blabber** » 2008-01-07 06:09

Number 2 is Tactically legitimate, if your being realistic, and only have one life, the life of ten civillians is worth less then one of your squadmates. In the game, number 4 and 5 are probably best.

Oink-Blabber · Post by **Oink-Blabber** » 2008-01-07 06:11

This is untactical:
The best studies of Afghanistan's torment were published jointly last December and a year earlier by two private human rights organizations in New York, Helsinki Watch and Asia Watch. One practice they described is the use of ''toy bombs'' -explosive devices disguised as toy trucks, dolls and other objects. When children pick them up, they explode, blowing off hands, maiming, blinding the victims.

Source: New York times

icehollow · Post by **icehollow** » 2008-01-18 06:21

Do not ever shoot civs, if your servers are anything like our servers, you will get kicked for being a f!cking idiot, shooting a civvie is detrimental to the gameplay, the same way tking or being a tard is. Im sure people don't want to have the match over in a matter of minutes just because you and the rest of your squad can't handle having the little damage rocks do and/or frustrated because you cant get at the civs.