Benelli M4(US Marines suggestion)

Lange · Post by **Lange** » 2008-01-05 18:42

I did a search and could only find threads on shotgun suggestions related to power and such, and a 2 year old thread so I thought it would be appropiate to make a thread on this since there seemed not to be a lot of discussion.

I have a question first why is the M-11-87 being used as the US shotgun? There is nothing I can find that suggests evidence of this being used by the US military.

These are the current shotguns in use by the US Armed forces:

In active service

* M1014 (Benelli M4 Super 90; semi-auto 12 gauge)
* Mossberg 500 & 590 (Pump-action 12 gauge)
* Remington 870 (Pump-action 12 gauge)
* Winchester 1200 (Pump-action 12 gauge)
* KAC Masterkey (Pump-action under barrel 12 gauge)

Unless the M11-87 is supposed to be the Remington 870 i can see that but I have done research that the main shotgun is the M10114 Benelli.

Though the M1014 is only actively used in the Marine Corps, they are scheduled to be delivered to other branches.

So unto my suggestion, it would be more realistic to include the Benelli instead of the 870(which i am assuming is the M11-87) because of it being the main shotgun. Also I suggest just for the Marines for now since they are the only branch actively using it. Thanks for considering this.

Please also if I am wrong about something please explain to me anyone or if the M11-87 is just a placeholder to include this later.

BloodBane611 · Post by **BloodBane611** » 2008-01-05 18:47

I like the suggestion, but there are more important things than a new shotgun in the works. US Army is planned, so new weapons, reworking some vehicles I'm sure, much stuff be doing. And a holosight/red dot sight. So theres much more pressing concerns, but I agree a more representative shotgun would be nice. Just not necessary, since we don't use the shotgun much anyhow.

Eddie Baker · Post by **Eddie Baker** » 2008-01-05 18:48

The M11-87 was a placeholder; in .7 the US team does not have a shotgun equipped class on any of the PR maps. The Guide just hasn't been updated to reflect that. We had been using the Benelli M4/M1014 model from BF2: Euro Force for a while, but for some reason never got around to putting it in the right place, despite this issue being brought up multiple times.

Anyways, expect to see it back at a future date using the BF2 model or another one.

Expendable Grunt · Post by **Expendable Grunt** » 2008-01-05 20:24

Can it be effective this time? Like, realistic spread?

Post by **Masaq** » 2008-01-05 22:24

Yay, the Benelli - by far my favourite of all the shotguns. It's a fearsome piece of work

But yeah, those shotties need proper range and spread on them, mmmmmmm.

nedlands1 · Post by **nedlands1** » 2008-01-06 05:01

Yeah they need to be properly choked and it is like a 10 second fix. See: https://www.realitymod.com/forum/showpo ... ostcount=6 for the fix and http://books.google.com.au/books?id=wK9 ... ouRlnDTCB0 for the source.

VipersGhost · Post by **VipersGhost** » 2008-01-06 09:37

Lol oh man, I was one of the guys crying about this (spread/lethality) a couple of releases ago. It never got any attention, I'm glad its not present as it just annoyed me anyways. I wouldn't mind seeing the shotgun return though...especially if there are some door breaching opportunities in maps like Fallujah

BetterDeadThanRed · Post by **BetterDeadThanRed** » 2008-01-06 15:59

[R-MOD]Masaq wrote:Yay, the Benelli - by far my favourite of all the shotguns. It's a fearsome piece of work

But yeah, those shotties need proper range and spread on them, mmmmmmm.

And ironsights!

Lange · Post by **Lange** » 2008-01-06 17:25

Also maybe the 870 I mentioned could be a compliment to the Benelli info from Remingtons website here:http://www.remingtonmilitary.com/pdf/MCSspecs.pdf it is used by the Marines also and a picture on wikipedia showed a soldier using it in Iraq.

Eddie Baker · Post by **Eddie Baker** » 2008-01-06 18:31

Lange wrote:Also maybe the 870 I mentioned could be a compliment to the Benelli info from Remingtons website here:http://www.remingtonmilitary.com/pdf/MCSspecs.pdf it is used by the Marines also and a picture on wikipedia showed a soldier using it in Iraq.

Possibly. The 870 has been used by the US services since Vietnam and is still around in the arms rooms of various units. I think it's more likely that we might make a new 870 model for the UK, though; they're using the geometry of the NORINCO clone of it, at the moment.

In the 1990s, though, the US purchased more of the Mossberg 590 series weapons, and also the US Army's most recent shotgun purchases (several thousand in 2005) were of those, directing units to turn in their Winchester 1200s. So, the 590 might be the US Army's shotgun on various maps.

Gunwing · Post by **Gunwing** » 2008-01-06 20:41

[R-DEV]Eddie Baker wrote:Possibly. The 870 has been used by the US services since Vietnam and is still around in the arms rooms of various units. I think it's more likely that we might make a new 870 model for the UK, though; they're using the geometry of the NORINCO clone of it, at the moment.

In the 1990s, though, the US purchased more of the Mossberg 590 series weapons, and also the US Army's most recent shotgun purchases (several thousand in 2005) were of those, directing units to turn in their Winchester 1200s. So, the 590 might be the US Army's shotgun on various maps.

This is all nice thanks for working so hard to get the USMC on par with the other armies! BTW Another gun that the US Army uses is the SPAT-12 auto shotgun. It was in BF2:MC for the Xbox360. I love that gun!

Any chance of a Heli crew kit being added so we can have SMGs come back? It would fit well as all USMC/US Army Heli crews have at least 2-3 MP5s on a rack in the chopper for personal defense. Plus we love MP5s! But a new model would have to be made. the BF2 one sucks so bad. To fat, and ugly.

AnRK · Post by **AnRK** » 2008-01-06 20:47

How come the British army has the Chinese NOR whatever it is shotgun now? Well I think that's what it was when I played Qwai at least. They used to have the m4 aswell right? Are you guys planning on giving the Brits a pump action and are just using it as a place holder?

Viper5 · Post by **Viper5** » 2008-01-06 20:51

Gunwing wrote:This is all nice thanks for working so hard to get the USMC on par with the other armies! BTW Another gun that the US Army uses is the SPAT-12 auto shotgun. It was in BF2:MC for the Xbox360. I love that gun!

Any chance of a Heli crew kit being added so we can have SMGs come back? It would fit well as all USMC/US Army Heli crews have at least 2-3 MP5s on a rack in the chopper for personal defense. Plus we love MP5s! But a new model would have to be made. the BF2 one sucks so bad. To fat, and ugly.

Heo Pilots dont have MP5s... they were used for like 18 months as a trial and found to be insufficient.

Eddie Baker · Post by **Eddie Baker** » 2008-01-06 21:37

AnRK wrote:How come the British army has the Chinese NOR whatever it is shotgun now? Well I think that's what it was when I played Qwai at least. They used to have the m4 aswell right? Are you guys planning on giving the Brits a pump action and are just using it as a place holder?

The only shotgun in service with UK forces that we have been able to confirm is the Remington 870. The Norinco 982 is an unlicensed copy of the Remington 870. That is why they are using that model as a placeholder at the moment.

Gunwing wrote:BTW Another gun that the US Army uses is the SPAT-12 auto shotgun. It was in BF2:MC for the Xbox360. I love that gun!

You mean the SPAS-12? No armed service that I know of, US or otherwise, issues the SPAS-12.

Gunwing wrote:Any chance of a Heli crew kit being added so we can have SMGs come back? It would fit well as all USMC/US Army Heli crews have at least 2-3 MP5s on a rack in the chopper for personal defense. Plus we love MP5s! But a new model would have to be made. the BF2 one sucks so bad. To fat, and ugly. \

US Army 160th Special Operations Aviation Regiment (and only that aviation unit) in the early 1990s issued MP5 variants to its aviators. After Somalia, they decided it lacked enough power, and stopped issuing them. They have not been used by any of our aircrews for 14 years. With the widespread adoption of the M4 US helicopter crews are issued those in lieu of or in addition to sidearms.

General Dragosh · Post by **General Dragosh** » 2008-01-06 23:35

SPAS-12 my favorite Shot the gun...

Back to topic...we really need ironsight for the shotguns...for less spreading of the grains...........???

Lange · Post by **Lange** » 2008-01-07 00:31

Gunwing wrote:This is all nice thanks for working so hard to get the USMC on par with the other armies! BTW Another gun that the US Army uses is the SPAT-12 auto shotgun. It was in BF2:MC for the Xbox360. I love that gun!

Any chance of a Heli crew kit being added so we can have SMGs come back? It would fit well as all USMC/US Army Heli crews have at least 2-3 MP5s on a rack in the chopper for personal defense. Plus we love MP5s! But a new model would have to be made. the BF2 one sucks so bad. To fat, and ugly.

Just because it is in a game doesn't mean its actually used in real life, and as Eddie mentioned the SPAT-12 is not used by any military. U.S. or otherwise. The only branch nowdays that I can confirm uses the MP5 is Navy Seals, and some special forces no main combat forces use the MP5. It went through excessive testing and was deemed to lack enough power.

Heli pilots may have a M4 onboard or as Eddie mentioned a sidearm.

Post by **Masaq** » 2008-01-07 00:46

Lange wrote:Just because it is in a game doesn't mean its actually used in real life, and as Eddie mentioned the SPAT-12 is not used by any military. U.S. or otherwise. The only branch nowdays that I can confirm uses the MP5 is Navy Seals, and some special forces no main combat forces use the MP5. It went through excessive testing and was deemed to lack enough power.

Heli pilots may have a M4 onboard or as Eddie mentioned a sidearm.

Hell - look at vanilla BF2 - they included the Mk3A1 Jackhammer, a shotgun that only ever made it to prototype and as far as anyone knows, only two fully automatic ones (ever) exist(ed).

So yeaaaah you're right - the BF2 series is probably NOT the best source on contemporary military equipment lol.

(Sources: http://www.militaryfactory.com/smallarm ... rms_id=111
http://world.guns.ru/shotgun/sh10-e.htm )

Lange · Post by **Lange** » 2008-01-07 01:05

'[R-MOD wrote:Masaq;574441']Hell - look at vanilla BF2 - they included the Mk3A1 Jackhammer, a shotgun that only ever made it to prototype and as far as anyone knows, only two fully automatic ones (ever) exist(ed).

So yeaaaah you're right - the BF2 series is probably NOT the best source on contemporary military equipment lol.

(Sources: http://www.militaryfactory.com/smallarm ... rms_id=111
http://world.guns.ru/shotgun/sh10-e.htm )

Lol yeah BF2 is absolute **** as far as any military technology goes. They way they did the weapons is inaccurate as can be. One reason I stopped playing BF2 for the most part is because of the lack of research they did on military equipment. The unlocks where a complete joke at that.

Lol only there being 2 working prototypes hardly enough to supply a army like BF2 suggests. Lol stupid BF2 developers who just included stuff to be cool and could minimally care about realism.

BloodBane611 · Post by **BloodBane611** » 2008-01-07 03:46

Yeah, BF2 is not a realistic source.

Good to hear the DEVs are interested in shotguns. Can't wait to see what you come up with. I agree with the opinion that the range/spread need to be adjusted, props to nedlands once again for just being the man.

Maxfragg · Post by **Maxfragg** » 2008-01-07 15:30

we do want this for US ARMY engy:

just kidding, but it would be nice (and unballanced)