opposition?

Tom#13 · Post by **Tom#13** » 2006-01-21 00:04

now, the western forces to be included in this mod we already know quite alot about but i just thought of this idea when beta brought it up on another thread. But who the hell are we fighting? im guessing that mec will be replaced by another middle eastern forces, but what? for all this equipment weve been suggesting for us/uk forces the other side has to have something to counter it.
So at the moment people have got tons and tons of ideas for one side but none for the other, so i were just wondering which armies or whatever will be included apart from brits, U.S. if it was known people could start thinking about it and coming up with ideas for it

beta · Post by **beta** » 2006-01-21 02:17

Well, people have been talking about the Chinese forces, I would like Russian forces to be in (not just Russian equipped ... ), and also perhaps a more realistic MEC, the UAE (United Arab Emirates, someone mentioned them earlier ... ).

This is definately a good thread, we need to SERIOUSLY think of an oppostion or else the Brits will be fighting the Yanks ... could be interesting though ....

Post by **JS.Fortnight.A** » 2006-01-21 02:49

We are currently formulating/working on this, one must point out however that we are trying for a realistic approach and this is somewhat difficult when you are thrown into a fictional conflict. We will reveal our intentions as soon as we believe we have found a proper format; as to who, why, when, and how various future factions in PR came to 'join the fight' that is BF2. Stay tuned.

Evangalin · Post by **Evangalin** » 2006-01-21 04:13

I want to see a US and Chineese fight for the Siberian Railway..that'd kick all ***.

Tom#13 · Post by **Tom#13** » 2006-01-22 13:13

ID like to see an asian campaign. Starting in indonesia and moving up to china. this is fairly realistic, and it would allow jungle,Desert(the gobi desert), urban and see and air maps. theres something for every body basically

Psycho_Sam · Post by **Psycho_Sam** » 2006-01-22 14:44

Why not include North Korea as an 'evil' force. They are a member of the so called axis of evil and some good theoritcal story lines could be included such as them invading S. Korea and the US lending a hand to repel the invaders? I dont really know much about their technology but I guess they would be too simiar to the PLU to include. After all variety is the spice of life so we need a new force with lots of different stuff if possible.

Tom#13 · Post by **Tom#13** » 2006-01-22 14:52

well the thing is china could probably just about cope with the US and uk forces
(but for how long?) wheter North korea would just get a kicking. so how about combining them?

Post by **BrokenArrow** » 2006-01-22 17:40

I would like to see China, North Korea and Vietnam all in it as sort of a communist pact. Then the MEC (Syria+Iran?) falls in there as trying to push the US and UK out of the Middle East.

Then China decides to go into Russia and try to jump start oil production in Siberia, so there Russia and a few European contries get put into the mix... maybe even Canada.

This allows for pretty much every type of terrain imaginable, plus it can include just about every nation that there is demand for.

Resjah · Post by **Resjah** » 2006-01-22 17:43

heh, you could always just use a modified version of the Splinter Cell chaos theory story line

Post by **BrokenArrow** » 2006-01-22 17:54

I actually havn't played it but my idea is loosely based on a few Clancy novels.

Tom#13 · Post by **Tom#13** » 2006-01-22 20:23

ive never read any of clancy's books.
whats the storyline u were thinking of.

Post by **BrokenArrow** » 2006-01-22 21:47

First, you should read them, they're pretty good

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This is my post from the Side Project:Vietnam thread:

'[R-PUB wrote:BrokenArrow']
I think the easiest way to tie a plausible story together is have it nearly entirely in Asia (with smaller conflicts in Africa).

As i said before the US and UK are already in the Middle East, so the MEC could be played off (maybe) as Iran and Syria finally having enough of it and banding together to boot them out. At the same time, China's booming population and economy is hungry. They don't trust the oil coming out of the middle east because alot of it has been intercepted by the MEC for use against the US.

China turns to North Korea and offers better nukes if they will invade the south. This is because china wants to tie down the US and other UN countries there while they make a grab towards Russia. At the same time, they offer Vietnam similar deals to turn against the US and other Western countries by offer so much money or supplies for every Western hostage they can take (these rescue ops will allow for Special Forces to be used, though I dont know about there being hostages to rescue).

With the US and UK tied down in Korea and Vietnam, China makes its move towards recource-rich Russia. Here's where alot of Euro nations can be put in, Canada too. Snow maps all over the place with china making a winter crossing of the river (cant remember the name) that divides it from Russia.

From here, you can run wild. Japan could make a return to imperalism (the standing government isn't making much money off of exports because all the countries are buying war materiel.) So a bad guy with good promises gains power there, builds up the military (using China's aggression as an excuse.) And citing the death of many Japanese reporters covering the war in China at the hands of the Allies (western nations), even though the Chinese are responsible, launches another campaign in the South Pacific.

There you have snow maps, jungle maps, island assault maps, forrest maps, desert maps and so on all tied together (sort of). It's a little expansion on my first post here, hope it's a littl better.

The basic idea is from 'The Bear and the Dragon' (China vs. Russia), 'Debt of Honor' (US vs. Japan) and 'Executive Orders' which features a sort-of MEC between Iran and the leaderless (by way of assassination) Iraq.

Zepheris Casull · Post by **Zepheris Casull** » 2006-01-22 22:11

haven't read the novell, but i somehow doubt the possibility of japan going amok and trying to engage against US again. Japan's import have increased by a large magnitude after mid 1980s, i somehow doubt they can stay in one piece if they suddenly cut their import lines right now.

That and i somewhat doubt their millitary capability, some are vying to get the millitary structure back in japan, but as of the moment they only have a self defense force with a number of limitations on equipment that they can field, in a direct conflict they aren't that much better than the surrounding countries.

also note that a good number of the countries surrounding japan are very wary of any sort of millitary build up in japan (most of them had a bad history with japan in ww2, some still relatively uneasy with them), any build up there would translate to these countries beefing up their own armed forces.

Post by **BrokenArrow** » 2006-01-22 22:22

Japan was more of a side idea to get some amphibious assaults on tropical islands, my story there wasn't very solid. What do you think about the others? China's involvement is already a little shaky as the US is it's biggest debtor, so it doesn't make sense to throw that away. Also if Japan was that pissed I don't think they'd abide by arms restrictions

. Again just a couple ideas.

Tom#13 · Post by **Tom#13** » 2006-01-22 22:28

As long as its got jungles in it im happy.
and proper south east asia jungle, not the chinese one in bf2

Resjah · Post by **Resjah** » 2006-01-22 23:24

Well i havent played the game in a while, so im a little fuzzy on the story line but basically, a computer genious created a code that can hack into any computer system in the world, that computer genious was then kidnapped and tortured for the information by some small time terrorist group working for a larger organization.

It was unkown who this terrorist group was working for, but then a land to sea missile was launched from north korea and sunk and US battleship. Of course the US accused North Korea for the attacking and threatened with retalition, the north koreans said they did not launch the missile, and China backed them up on this, with increased US presence in south korea, the north koreans built up their forces along the DMZ.

Well, sam fisher, was sent in to the korean base to find the cause of the missile launch and he found out it was launched using the stolen computer code, then another missile was lauched at the USS Ronald Reagan but was diffused, the US took this as another attack and the North Koreans fearing a retalition, quickly invaded seoul to prevent the americans from taking it. while the US began its air campaign over north korea and seol, china threatening the US to back out or it would declare war on the US.

It turns out that the computer code was traced back to the japanese government and that a japanese general had pushed the US and North korea into war in collaboration with china, japan wanted to regain their independence and power.

This fairly what the story line was about, i modified it to fit into the role so that a major war would start.

Post by **NikovK** » 2006-01-23 00:57

Yeah, but you forget that Sam Fisher is involved and therefor, the doomsday scenario will be averted. Like Keanu Reeves. Keanu Reeves in a movie = Good Guys Win.

Consider this option.

MEC formed from Middle Eastern nations as a means to drive out Western influence from Iraq (Hence shaming the eeeevil Judeo-Christian Zionists) and carve up the nation amongst themselves afterwards (Iran to provide military protection to the Shi'as, Syria/Egypt/Ect to provide protection to the Sunni's, Turkey to protect the Kurds). The MEC could easily comprise of Syria, Iran, Turkey and possibly Saudi Arabia as territorial forces with more distant nations providing economic support or troops in return for oil wealth.

With the nuclear crisis unresolved on the Korean penninsula, demands of economic relief unanswered and North Korea facing economic collapse, the DPRK (DemoCommieCratic People's Republic of Korea) invades South Korea in a desperate throw to dominate the rich South by military force. In this manner, we can easily mock-up battles between North Korea and America by way of PLA hardware or "expeditionary volunteer units".

With American and British forces battling on behalf of Iraq's plea for protection against foreign invaders bent on oil and territory, and NATO forces warring for South Korea's democratic independance, China senses the imbalance of power and launches the long-planned invasion of Taiwan (Which is in no way a figment of anyone's deluded minds, and if we were sitting around in 1937 coming up with a hex-based war game between Germany and Poland we'd be about as sane). Choosing a phased-invasion plan against Taiwan, the PLA attempts to bleed Taiwan's forces for the outlying islands before delivering the final amphibious assault against the main island. To ensure the saftey of the northern front, Chinese forces rush to capture the Russian Far East from Kharabovsk and the Manchurian Plain to the sea.

Post by **BrokenArrow** » 2006-01-23 00:59

It sounds pretty good, I may be mistaken (as I have the xbox version and it's a little different) but I think the Ghost Recon 2 for PS2 is similar to that... unless I am getting it mixed up with Splinter Cell but I don't think I ever read the storyline for that. I would really like to see Japan in the game as an agressor because it opens up the South Pacific for island battles.

Nikov I like your idea as well but one tiny thing: Would the Turks protect the Kurds? One thing I know they were worried about at the beginning of (and maybe still) the Iraq war was having the Kurds be more independent. Of course that is an extremely small detail and pretty inconsequensial to your overall plan.

Resjah · Post by **Resjah** » 2006-01-23 01:15

NikovK wrote:Yeah, but you forget that Sam Fisher is involved and therefor, the doomsday scenario will be averted. Like Keanu Reeves. Keanu Reeves in a movie = Good Guys Win.

This fairly what the story line was about, i modified it to fit into the role so that a major war would start.

maybe you missed that part

I think mostly all the story lines are plausible and would allow for diverse battlefields, as long as there are some good air maps, im happy

Post by **BrokenArrow** » 2006-01-23 01:19

FlyBoy wrote: I think mostly all the story lines are plausible and would allow for diverse battlefields, as long as there are some good air maps, im happy

Alright so it starts with Mars invading Canada....

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