Automatic sniper(AKA tank)

Smellyelly · Post by **Smellyelly** » 2008-02-14 06:24

The tank is just far too overpowered. The mg on it really needs to be reworked, atm its an armoured sniper that can fire about 300rpm.
On one map, a tank was about 2000m away, just visible from view disatance, our squad was on a ridge, and we could not even have a fire fight with infantry below because we where taking dead accurate fire from a tank.

Amoured vehicals are really this mods only down side, as they are just used for camping, and a far too over powered at that. Never once have I seen a tank working with infantry.

Hopefully you devs have something to tackle this problem. A few of my ideas would be: Increase bullet dispersion and take away zoom.

zangoo · Post by **zangoo** » 2008-02-14 06:42

as far as i know there is no map with a 2000m view distance, irl tanks can make long range shots and are really just snipers with treads.

nedlands1 · Post by **nedlands1** » 2008-02-14 06:52

A few things to point out. The coaxial machine gun fires at more that 300 RPM (it in fact fires at 900 RPM). As a reference, the AK-47 ingame fires at 600 RPM. The coaxial machine guns on tanks fires 3 MOA groups, bolt action sniper rifles often shoot <1 MOA groups. On no map can you see 2 km away (more like 1 km view distance maximum).

Tanks are powerful in real life. As an infantryman you don't try to fight them generally. Instead, you let your jets, tanks and artillery do most of the work for you. If you see an enemy tank, make sure it can't see you and then relay it's position to forces who can deal with it.

Expendable Grunt · Post by **Expendable Grunt** » 2008-02-14 08:42

Smellyelly wrote:The tank is just far too overpowered.

...it's a TANK!

SleepyHe4d · Post by **SleepyHe4d** » 2008-02-14 09:22

The problem with the camping instead of the tank moving in to help infantry at close range is there because of the wide open maps with no cover. Even the small villages provide no cover, especially when you can get up on the side of the hill and overlook everything. Maybe they should add taller and thicker buildings and more hills to those maps?

Or just don't make a whole building collapse from an armor piercing shot, or even from HEAT shots. Even though the rounds do explode it's for the armor piercing mechanism of the hot liquid metal jet, I doubt it would make four walls completely collapse. Maybe just make the walls take greater damage so a tank actually has to worry about ammo if he wants to level an entire effing village.

SuperArmy · Post by **SuperArmy** » 2008-02-14 10:33

Its a British TANK! WE ARE THE BEST! lol its designed to cause pain and suffering and death the the enemy. Whats the point in making a half decent tank ? The reason the fire long range is so its harder for the enemy to shoot back and hit them !

CareBear · Post by **CareBear** » 2008-02-14 11:48

tanks camp irl, its reality mod so devs make it as real as possible...

irl u dont see tanks rushing into towns and cities, they stay on the outside and camp in saftey

Ragni<RangersPL> · Post by **Ragni<RangersPL>** » 2008-02-14 11:51

Well, it depends on who is driving those beasts.
I've manage to blow up a tank with an engie on an open terrain (kashan desert, two players in a tank).
There was also some funny moments with solo tankers back in PR 0.6

Sadist_Cain · Post by **Sadist_Cain** » 2008-02-14 12:23

it is all down to the amount of cover, this is why tanks are better on qinling than kashan.

irl we'd all probably bury ourselves in the sand to hide from the tank

nedlands1 · Post by **nedlands1** » 2008-02-14 12:30

Sadist_Cain wrote:it is all down to the amount of cover, this is why tanks are better on qinling than kashan.

irl we'd all probably bury ourselves in the sand to hide from the tank

Eh? Tanks rely on superior range and being in positions where they can't be sneaked up on. The forests of Qinling negate these advantages to an extent.

RCMoonPie · Post by **RCMoonPie** » 2008-02-14 12:57

I dont think the tank needs any adjustments in game.
I understand the frustration of "tank sniping" on maps like Kashan.
My advice....move as a squad and set a good rally point.
Bring an engineer and an AT. They know what to do.
Once you move into a village to take a flag, Find Cover and stay out of site.
You will still have tanks that pull up and start leveling random houses as if they have infinite ammo from 5 or 6 clicks away.....deal with it.

I think one realistic thing that would cut down on the tank sniping would be to enhance the environment a little more in those areas. Not sure if it could be done...but what about a little bit more haze...what about wind and dust effects?

ConscriptVirus · Post by **ConscriptVirus** » 2008-02-14 13:14

i have to agree with the OP on this topic. it just seems really ridiculous that the tank has pin point accuracy at great distances. i always thought the tank machine gun was meant for more CQC where the turret would be useless.

nedlands1 · Post by **nedlands1** » 2008-02-14 13:16

ConscriptVirus wrote:i have to agree with the OP on this topic. it just seems really ridiculous that the tank has pin point accuracy at great distances. i always thought the tank machine gun was meant for more CQC where the turret would be useless.

3 MOA groups is not pin point. The coaxial is for targets not worthy of a main cannon round (eg infantry in the open).

HughJass · Post by **HughJass** » 2008-02-14 13:20

ffs, its a tank and it is supposed to be feared.

Sadist_Cain · Post by **Sadist_Cain** » 2008-02-14 15:59

[quote=""'[R-CON"]nedlands1;609324']Eh? Tanks rely on superior range and being in positions where they can't be sneaked up on. The forests of Qinling negate these advantages to an extent.[/quote]

Sorry i didn't phrase that properly...

What I meant was it's a lil bit more even for infantry with the extra cover there is on Qinling.

A desert in PR is different from a desert irl with how the terrain reacts. So when we have tanks on Kashan they're practically on a huge tiled surface where they can shoot you down very easily.

You see what I mean by we'd probably bury ourselves in the sand on Kashan if it's real life because that's something you can't do in PR

There should be some sort of yellow "grass" on desert maps to be a bit like sand so when you dive to the floor in places yoy could be in soft sand or harder sand.

ahhh begger it I'll figure out where I am

[quote="ConscriptVirus""]i have to agree with the OP on this topic. it just seems really ridiculous that the tank has pin point accuracy at great distances. i always thought the tank machine gun was meant for more CQC where the turret would be useless.[/quote]

BloodBane611 · Post by **BloodBane611** » 2008-02-14 16:15

OMG I got killed by a tank, nerf them!

It's a tank dude, learn to kill it or learn to avoid it. Or learn to drive one.

Ragni<RangersPL> · Post by **Ragni<RangersPL>** » 2008-02-14 16:47

BloodBane611 wrote:It's a tank dude, learn to kill it or learn to avoid it. Or learn to drive one.

Amen to that