Headshots.

[Dempsey]

Right i know most modern day infantry use kevlar helmets, but even so these i dont think can stop a 9mm, and even if it did, its going to injure your neck from the shock, and you would definately be on the ground.

So, on many occasions i have found myself sneaking up on people, with a Ak or a G3, aiming for the head, and all i see is bloody sand come out of the helmet, him turn around and then shoot me. a 7.62 is going to destroy what ever is behind that helmet, even a 5.56-5.45, heck, even a 9mm, they are only effective against shrapnel.

So, could you change this?

[SuperTimo]

im pretty sure you must have missed, dont want to be rude but a headshot in this game kills insantly.

[Dempsey]

Well i heard the sound of it hitting the body, and then the dust coming from the head.

[Sabre_tooth_tigger]

Netcode basically, G3 is pretty deadly in the game just nuts to use on full auto


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4weIh3Mc6kU&fmt=18

[Dempsey]

Netcode basically, G3 is pretty deadly in the game just nuts to use on full auto

Cant see the link mate. EDIT~: now working.

But what has this got to do with anything?

[markonymous]

Right i know most modern day infantry use kevlar helmets, but even so these i dont think can stop a 9mm, and even if it did, its going to injure your neck from the shock, and you would definately be on the ground.

So, on many occasions i have found myself sneaking up on people, with a Ak or a G3, aiming for the head, and all i see is bloody sand come out of the helmet, him turn around and then shoot me. a 7.62 is going to destroy what ever is behind that helmet, even a 5.56-5.45, heck, even a 9mm, they are only effective against shrapnel.

So, could you change this?

im no expert but im pretty sure the modern helmet can stop 7.62 rounds given right conditions. And you wouldnt be injuring your neck severely. If this were true anyone firing a gun would have broken their shoulder then the recoil hits because the power of the recoil is exactly the same as the power of the shot. For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.

oh and yes behold the mighty m16
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oh1lyMyejpI

[Sabre_tooth_tigger]

Well i heard the sound of it hitting the body, and then the dust coming from the head.

Well Im guessing its the same as in CS, effects are generated and calculated locally but the actual kill is a server decision and subject to your and the opponents ping and lag,etc

It makes hacking harder otherwise you could just click a button and tell the server you just killed everyone

I read they used to have proper red stuff on PR but for this reason it was removed as being too confusing


I dont think any helmet can stop a 7.62, you just have to consider misses as lucky shots or ricochets or something. Its one of the things which makes full auto make more sense then it should be tbh

[MrD]

The death didn't occur due to dodgy networking code. A headshot kills in PR, no doubt about it. The worse your ping is to the server, the less headshots you will be getting.

[markonymous]

No, a helmet cannot stop a bullet... Maybe a low caliber perhaps but not a rifle bullet. It is meant to protect from shrapnel and give a CHANCE of protection from stray fire since it is not a flat box on your head, but round and given the right angle would ricochet the bullet.



I see you know how the theory sounds, but you do not understand it. The mass of the bullet is how many gramms? And how many kilos does a person weigh? Besides it's not exactly as you said about the equalness of the force. Take a good look at the picture here (press and hold on the triger then pull out of the flash player box to make it fire withouth stopping). Withouth the mechanics it displays the expanditure of the gas. As you can see the red is where the force is the biggest. As it expands it weakens and it turns to more yellow. The recoil is not caused by the explosion of the gasses but by the movment of the bullet and the gas begind it. It is smaller but the bullet stil flies fast and goes faster until it reaches it's top speed. Basicaly that's it.

the weight of a army helmet as far as i know is high the area the force hits is small but it gets dispurced therefor the force per area would be low do the calculations. Now the breaking of shoulders was over the top but i think i made my point.

i shouldnt actually be commenting this since i have no knowledge of how the helmets work or anything im just thinking logically.

edit: i just checked the kinetic energy of standard 5.56 bullet fired from a m16. Its not more then 1775 J Which means if its stopped on a large area it wouldnt cause to bad damage. Im just speculating here.

[Psyko]

im no expert but im pretty sure the modern helmet can stop 7.62 rounds given right conditions. And you wouldnt be injuring your neck severely. If this were true anyone firing a gun would have broken their shoulder then the recoil hits because the power of the recoil is exactly the same as the power of the shot. For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.

oh and yes behold the mighty m16
YouTube - M16 Blows up in Kids Face

I beg to differ on that one dude.
Your shoulder absorbs the recoil because the buttplate is big wide and fits into the notch of your shoulder and most of the force goes out with the round, where a round has all that force focused on the tip, so when it strikes its impact it is multiplied hundreds of times over.

[nedlands1]

I beg to differ on that one dude.
Your shoulder absorbs the recoil because the buttplate is big wide and fits into the notch of your shoulder and most of the force goes out with the round, where a round has all that force focused on the tip, so when it strikes its impact it is multiplied hundreds of times over.

I think the word you are looking for is pressure (force per area).

[Sabre_tooth_tigger]

erm yes this is why a knife cuts at the sharp end not the handle = a good thing

[markonymous]

I beg to differ on that one dude.
Your shoulder absorbs the recoil because the buttplate is big wide and fits into the notch of your shoulder and most of the force goes out with the round, where a round has all that force focused on the tip, so when it strikes its impact it is multiplied hundreds of times over.

yes that was stupid of me but you also have to remember the weight of the rifle. Much higher then the bullet therefore much lover force on your shoulder. Why do i always make that mistake when thinking about guns.

[Duende]

To help you guys. The box of Truth... Episode 29 # The Helmets o´Truth!

Cool tests...

I like the way headshots are working, sometimes they´re not deadly, and still giving the chance of callin medics.

[KP]

As someone said, networking issue. You can see the hit, but it doesn't register.

Also, "most of the energy" doesn't go out with the round. Every action has an equal and opposite reaction. That simple.

[Anderson29]

bullets go through helmets...helmets are mainly for shielding debri and shrapmetal.
though there is an incident that involes a soldier being shot w/9mm in the helmet in iraq by a crooked IP and the bullet did not penitrate.