Please mark where you laze

[ralfidude]

How often do you see people who laze a target 600x in 4 seconds and they dont even mark the spot or text it to the air cav???

How the hell do i know where you lazed? I have to open up my map look at your position and where your looking at and guess at roughly where the hell it really is your pointing at...

Only a few people laze targets and then set the marker on the map for the air cav to see, not too many times in alot of servers.

Then you have the group of douches who laze mark targets when there is no air support available....

I let them know in BIG CAPITAL LETTERS that no air support is available (but i do it nicely so they see it without sounding like im yelling at them).

But nope, they relentlessly go about marking the same spot over n over for the next 3 min, hearing that same annoying messege in my head.

(i actually mute the game when that happens)

Unfortunately we cant really force people to read the manual, but we should, with a gun to their head.

[TheOak82]

You are right about it being much easier when the target is also spotted or even marked with a CAS marker(need a squad leader working together with the commander for that)but what's the big deal about bringing up your map? You have to do it anyway to see where the CAS marker or lased/spotted target is. On the ground or up in a plane I look at the map every time someone spots or lases something.

If the guy doesn't spot what he's lasing just fly over him fallowing his line of sight and you should find your way to the target.

[Alex6714]

The problem is no communication. You never get told what they are marking, where they are marking it you just have to guess from a flashing dot on the map.

[Conman51]

this should be in the pr tips section...ralfidude go put it in...but yes i do agree w/ you

[Death_dx]

Don't rely on the blue mass to know what the binoculars do. Get someone to spot for you full time.

[ralfidude]

theoak82, i did mention that i do that already, i dont really really mind opening up the map and doing all that since i have to anyway. But all im saying is that i shouldnt have to guess where it is... i never get a slight indication of where they laze.

Plus they sometimes laze a mark 5 miles away, or turn around after they laze making me think its one way or another. Its just plain annoying... God bless the people who do mark or coordinate us bombers and gunships.

I do try to get a spec ops guy or SL if possible to mark me a target, thats priority one. I usually get it that way.

But when it comes to other team players when they laze and i dont respond because i just have no clue where that freaking box is on the map then they start yelling at me! Can u believe the balls on those guys? I try to calmly text (as im flying may i add) that they didnt indicate where they lazed, and they ignore that statement.

What are we to do in those cases? Nothing i suppose... and thats how its going to remain for now. But until then i do hope those ja*kas*es dont give me attitude when they are doing a poor job of marking targets.


PS: Did anybody else read the amazing thread about the 13thMEU flame war between them and battlearena? Its in the server admin section of forums, read it, its great. Gives me another reason to dislike them.

[ralfidude]

ADDITION:

Flashing point on the map?

You mean if they spot the tank for me instead of telling me where they are lazing?

I sometimes see it... but alot of times its not there even when they do it.

[Celestial1]

So don't bother engaging that target. Begin refusing to even peek down out of the skies to lose the plane after screaming "HERE I AM AA, COME SHOOT ME WHILE I LOOK FOR YOUR TANK" as your jet roars through the area.

Demand that a laze and a simple T>Mark Target icon be used so that you can do your job without losing air superiority... (and the jet for 20 minutes.)

[ralfidude]

if it were that easy celetial, nobody listens... before i take off i text a couple of times in caps that with a laze to send coordinates. When taht fails i retext when in the air. And when that fails, i just dont bother. But then they start yelling, grabbing the admins attention, and me having to explain that the dude is a moron, waisting my time....

[Mora]

The target that is spotted does not come on the map if its more then about 2KM away but if you look at your map you will see that the blue point will flash. And you can see where he is looking at. That is what i basically use to know where something is spotted.

[Cassius]

There should be a section on how to request air support in the squadleader section in the tips forum. Some squadleaders have the epectation that whatever target they laze be gone in the next 30 sec..
The pilot should always be squadleader an air combat squad no more members than needed to operate the single aircraft. The Squadleader should tell the commander he has a target and what target and where it is. Then the commander requests for avaiable air support with the pilots tells the pilot what and where and eithier SL or commander places a CaS marker on the map.

Alternatively the squadleader is on the ground head of a huge AIR SUPPORT squad (2 cobra a10 on Kashan), he can mark properly for the aircrafts, air support does not collapse if the commadner is lazy (or has no mic) and even if he is a dedicated commander he can forward the results of requests to the pilots rather than having the pilots bicker with the commander. And the pilots dont have the CO in their ear all the time eithier if the co talks to all the squadleaders at all times. That way other squads can laser mark brainlessly as long as they talk to the commander first and thell him what and where. I think I like this idea best, however we would have to get pilots to organize in such a fashion.

[Celestial1]

It'd just be nice if a laser target was automatically marked on the map when it is tagged. Seeing how laser target map-markers are used so little, it would be a heavenly addition to the Air-Pilot's effectiveness.

[ralfidude]

True Mora, i try to do that, but u know how it is with everybody reporting in something at the same time... slight confusion there with all the blinking blue icons, lol. But yeah i still try to make the best of it.

[Death_dx]

It'd just be nice if a laser target was automatically marked on the map when it is tagged. Seeing how laser target map-markers are used so little, it would be a heavenly addition to the Air-Pilot's effectiveness.

That's the point of the CAS marker, unfortunately the commander needs to accept it for it to show up, which he doesn't always do.

The target that is spotted does not come on the map if its more then about 2KM away but if you look at your map you will see that the blue point will flash. And you can see where he is looking at. That is what i basically use to know where something is spotted.

The map spotting is supposed to compensate for that isn't it?

But when it comes to other team players when they laze and i dont respond because i just have no clue where that freaking box is on the map then they start yelling at me! Can u believe the balls on those guys? I try to calmly text (as im flying may i add) that they didnt indicate where they lazed, and they ignore that statement.

What are we to do in those cases? Nothing i suppose... and thats how its going to remain for now. But until then i do hope those ja*kas*es dont give me attitude when they are doing a poor job of marking targets.

Yeah I'd just ignore them until they do something useful, or if you have a guy lasing for you get him to tell them (don't want to crash while typing) to rtfm before flaming someone out of their own stupidity.

PS: Did anybody else read the amazing thread about the 13thMEU flame war between them and battlearena? Its in the server admin section of forums, read it, its great. Gives me another reason to dislike them.

I was wondering what their deal was. I kinda joined them a while ago against my better judgement but left when I saw how "realistic" they wanted to be.

[@bsurd]

nice tread. Same problem here. Guys who wanne use the soflam should know how it works.

But the most dont know and so this shit happens.

But this shit is so easy...

When im pointer i do it this way.

type in the chat need air support for a tank, aav or whatever @ D 3 Keypad 5 for example. So the pilot exactly know where, and what kind of the target is.

I open the map, see when the a 10 comes in 4 attack run, set the laser and wait for the boom.

And that without commander, SL or whatever.

The A10 drops his bombs from 1000 feet or higher. He sees nothing. He only hears when he got a lock and pushs the button...

And what i missed in this tread:

Only mark enemys !!!!

I so often droped the bomb only to see that i make a TK because the laser was set on a friendly vehicle...

[(HUN)Rud3bwoy]

Well lasing a friendly unit could be an accident, sometimes the laser marker gets stuck in something.
About Lasing: best thing to do is to make an air squad with a squad leader in it (or even a specop for addition), so the SL can put an attack marker on the target, which should be as accurate as possible AND lase. As a bonus you can maintain constant contact with him via voip.
If there is a specop too, then you can cover more area, because the SL can put down attack markers on the specops guy's targets also with his coordination.
I did that once with lilgeez and my other mate. I was SL, lilgeez was sniper, and my mate flew the frogfoot. The result was devestating for the opposing team.

As a conclusion unfortunately I can say this overused statement: players are hardcoded...

[Rezza]

I always ask for the air support text them if theyre avavible for laser guided tell them the coordinates and which angle they should come from to have a clear shot and then i request air support-laser target-laser on.Its more cooperative more effective and has more percentage of success

[dbzao]

The biggest problem here is SLs on the ground not knowing how to procede wrt lasing of targets.

I posted this tutorial back in 0.7 release to help out. It explains what's the intended procedure for getting CAS working between different squads.



Since most people don't understand or know about this procedure, the most effective way is to have a FO in your CAS squad.



If you do the hole procedure you can get your objectives destroyed without any problem.

[ralfidude]

yep this should be coded into every player.

So is any of this going to be changed for .8?

Persay marking targets on map for bombers to see on map if they cannot laze persay?