Al Talha-APC for the MEC?

[Farks]

I was looking at modern APC's on Wikipedia, and found this one. I think it would really fit in PR now that the US Army have their Strykers, and make a VERY good replacement for the BRDM (for the MEC, not the milita). It's modern, it's been orderd by both Pakistan and Iraq and it's in production.

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[Eddie Baker]

I was looking at modern APC's on Wikipedia, and found this one. I think it would really fit in PR now that the US Army have their Strykers, and make a VERY good replacement for the BRDM (for the MEC, not the milita). It's modern, it's been orderd by both Pakistan and Iraq and it's in production.

The BRDM is a reconnaissance vehicle, not an APC, so it wouldn't really replace it. We have been looking at replacements for the BTR-90, though.

[hiberNative]

replace the vodnik maybe in that case.
i want better weapons on an apc.

[Waaah_Wah]

The BRDM is a reconnaissance vehicle, not an APC, so it wouldn't really replace it. We have been looking at replacements for the BTR-90, though.

BRDM is **** thats what it is.

Whats wrong with the BTR 90?

[Eddie Baker]

replace the vodnik maybe in that case.
i want better weapons on an apc.

Been looking at that, too. It never should have been in vBF2, and certainly not as a so-called "jeep." The only customer for it has been Uruguay; Russia does not even field them.

BRDM is **** thats what it is.

Whats wrong with the BTR 90?

It works for what it was designed for and has great mobility, but I wouldn't want to crew one in combat. It only has two hatches and both are in front on the roof.

Aside from the fact that it never should have been in vBF2, since maybe 20 exist and all of them are in use by the Russian Ministry of the Interior? And since we now have the more capable BMP-3, which the United Arab Emirates actually fields more of than Russia? I dunno; can't think of any reason other than variety and to avoid being accused of neglecting the MEC.

[Outlawz7]

Well can't you just throw the BTR out of all maps and put the BMP-3 in?

[Pariel]

Well can't you just throw the BTR out of all maps and put the BMP-3 in?

I've been wondering this for a number of version...

The BTR-90 has been the wrong choice for so many reasons, it should be changed.

[Farks]

I was mainly thinking of this as a MEC counterpart for the Stryker, and not as an reconnaissance vehicle or new IFV for the MEC. The US Army have both Bradleys and Strykers, so I thought maybe we should give MEC and China two APC's awell (modern ones that is)? One with a bigger cannon made for both combat and transport, and one mainly for transport with a 50- cal.

[Pariel]

I was mainly thinking of this as a MEC counterpart for the Stryker, and not as an reconnaissance vehicle or new IFV for the MEC. The US Army have both Bradleys and Strykers, so I thought maybe we should give MEC and China two APC's awell (modern ones that is)? One with a bigger cannon made for both combat and transport, and one mainly for transport with a 50- cal.

I think you're pointing out that armies generally use different vehicles as APCs than IFVs. It would be great to see this; I would love the Marines to have AAVs, for that matter, and I think it would make the whole thing more realistic. I also don't think it would change gameplay much, if at all.

[Expendable Grunt]

I think the OP has his idea spot on, and the Devs should read into this.

[77SiCaRiO77]

Aside from the fact that it never should have been in vBF2, since maybe 20 exist and all of them are in use by the Russian Ministry of the Interior? And since we now have the more capable BMP-3, which the United Arab Emirates actually fields more of than Russia? I dunno; can't think of any reason other than variety and to avoid being accused of neglecting the MEC.

they are actually around 100 and in service with the russian forces indeed , but since PR is in the near future it isnt strange that the MEC forces got some .

but anyways if you are looking for a replacement i suggest the good old btr-80 armed with the 30 mm gun that the t90 has . cheaper than the btr90 and still have the same firepower.

PD: also bmp3 sould have at-11 atgm

[Eddie Baker]

I was mainly thinking of this as a MEC counterpart for the Stryker, and not as an reconnaissance vehicle or new IFV for the MEC. The US Army have both Bradleys and Strykers, so I thought maybe we should give MEC and China two APC's awell (modern ones that is)? One with a bigger cannon made for both combat and transport, and one mainly for transport with a 50- cal.

Yes, I understood. And we have been looking at adding APCs rather than IFVs to the different factions.

they are actually around 100 and in service with the russian forces indeed , but since PR is in the near future it isnt strange that the MEC forces got some .

but anyways if you are looking for a replacement i suggest the good old btr-80 armed with the 30 mm gun that the t90 has . cheaper than the btr90 and still have the same firepower.

Source on numbers? I have only seen confirmation of a single battalion (about 30 vehicles) in service or in production. And tt is strange to see them in foreign service when the Russians cannot yet afford to produce more than 20-30 a year for their own troops.

T90 does not have a 30mm gun. Are you thinking of the BMP2 or 3? That's the BTR-80A you're thinking of. We have been looking at different things, but I won't say which since I would like whatever we do pick to be at least somewhat of a surprise.

PD: also bmp3 sould have at-11 atgm

No shit. And as said in the other threads about it, we just forgot about them while doing other things.

[nedlands1]

Source on numbers? I have only seen confirmation of a single battalion (about 30 vehicles) in service or in production. And tt is strange to see them in foreign service when the Russians cannot yet afford to produce more than 20-30 a year for their own troops.

Not really I suppose. Selling them to other people would allow them to offset some of their development costs and it also gives them a chance to iron out any bugs.

[Flanker15]

PD: also bmp3 sould have at-11 atgm

AT-10! The AT-11 is the 125mm missile launched from the T-90 and T-80.

This APC seems like a good Stryker matching vehicle for the MEC though. I wouldn't want to see any IFVs or APCs older than the BMP3 for the MEC though since they have such thin armor (you can quite easily swiss cheese a BMP2 with a .50cal mg if your close enough to hit it). Of course they made up for this with quantity over quality but that doesn't exactly work with only 32 people.

[Cobhris]

Aside from the fact that it never should have been in vBF2, since maybe 20 exist and all of them are in use by the Russian Ministry of the Interior? And since we now have the more capable BMP-3, which the United Arab Emirates actually fields more of than Russia? I dunno; can't think of any reason other than variety and to avoid being accused of neglecting the MEC.

BF2 and PR are set in the near future. That's why you have things like F-35s in common use and large deployments of armored vehicles that are just now coming into use in the real world. What's to say that 3-4 years from now the BTR-90 would not be an export vehicle?

[Waaah_Wah]

Been looking at that, too. It never should have been in vBF2, and certainly not as a so-called "jeep." The only customer for it has been Uruguay; Russia does not even field them.



It works for what it was designed for and has great mobility, but I wouldn't want to crew one in combat. It only has two hatches and both are in front on the roof.

Aside from the fact that it never should have been in vBF2, since maybe 20 exist and all of them are in use by the Russian Ministry of the Interior? And since we now have the more capable BMP-3, which the United Arab Emirates actually fields more of than Russia? I dunno; can't think of any reason other than variety and to avoid being accused of neglecting the MEC.

You do have a point there But the BMP 3 would heavily unbalance most maps now if given to the MEC as USMC dont really have anything to counter it with.

BMP 3 that has all the weapons it has IRL that is Hm, i think ill go and make a suggestion

EDIT: Im a moron. TOW humvees are a great counter for the BMP

[77SiCaRiO77]

Source on numbers? I have only seen confirmation of a single battalion (about 30 vehicles) in service or in production. And tt is strange to see them in foreign service when the Russians cannot yet afford to produce more than 20-30 a year for their own troops.

well, it isnt the first time , india got the t90s before russians could affort them in mass numbers

T90 does not have a 30mm gun. Are you thinking of the BMP2 or 3? That's the BTR-80A you're thinking of. We have been looking at different things, but I won't say which since I would like whatever we do pick to be at least somewhat of a surprise.

yeah , my mistake , i was thinking in the 30 mm gun of the btr-90

Eddie Baker;811963']
No shit. And as said in the other threads about it, we just forgot about them while doing other things.

yea , forgot you guys were too busy mirror balancing everything

[Waaah_Wah]

Eddie Baker;811963']
No shit. And as said in the other threads about it, we just forgot about them while doing other things.

Dont forget both HEAT and AP rounds for 30 and 100mm cannons

[Eddie Baker]

Dont forget both HEAT and AP rounds for 30 and 100mm cannons

The "AP round" for the 100mm cannon IS the AT-11 ATGM, Waah Wah. The other 100mm rounds are HE blast-frag for use against infantry formations, light armor and bunkers/structures. \

Back on topic, please.

[Waaah_Wah]

Hm, so they only have HEAT for the 100mm? No AP shells? Im pretty sure i heard that they have HEAT and AP rounds for both cannons