Insurgents able to use 50 cals on enemy veichles?

[alvina]

I think they should be able to.

[panther501]

yah. it seems only realistic

[waldo_ii]

Except insurgents probably don't know how to arm a BMG. How to lift up the top part to put the belt in, they don't know where to put the belt, how to turn off the safty, how to look down the sights, how it is zeroed, how to fire.

A few of these seem easy, but figuring out some of these while under combat pressure is hard. Then you have to take the time to do it right. If you want to give them 30 seconds to warm up (probably not possible, I dunno).

Plus, there is the gameplay aspect to it. Do you think it is a good idea for insurgents to get in a Challenger's .50? And if they can use the .50s, then it means they must be able to be in the other seats, too. Players can switch between the driver/gunner seats in a CR2 to keep the Brits from getting inside it.

[alvina]

Except insurgents probably don't know how to arm a BMG. How to lift up the top part to put the belt in, they don't know where to put the belt, how to turn off the safty, how to look down the sights, how it is zeroed, how to fire.

A few of these seem easy, but figuring out some of these while under combat pressure is hard. Then you have to take the time to do it right. If you want to give them 30 seconds to warm up (probably not possible, I dunno).

Plus, there is the gameplay aspect to it. Do you think it is a good idea for insurgents to get in a Challenger's .50? And if they can use the .50s, then it means they must be able to be in the other seats, too. Players can switch between the driver/gunner seats in a CR2 to keep the Brits from getting inside it.

I dont agree with you. Just imagen, a Brit veichle is coming in to bashra city with the cockyness, they blast their 50 cals on you, (So when you kill those mafcks) the 50 cal is ready to go. And you say that insurgents dont know how to look down the sights, come an... I know this game makes insrugents look like retarded animals but thats another topic.

Edit: Im not sure I know what you mean with switching seats, but the insurgents shouldnt be able to drive around with it tho, dont think it would look so realstic but. And if they can use a RPK I think they can figure something like that. If they dont, then give the 50cal atleast 1 mag. And yes I think its a very good idea because Insurgents sucks overall, and if theirs ammo and guns availble like in a deserted British or hummer on the road they sure should take everything on it.

[DeltaFart]

Using your logic Waldo heres a list of things to ask about then
Why did we have trouble in Somalia, losing 2 UH60 helicopters and the damage of several others
Why are we still fighting insurgents in Iraq and Afghanistan
Why is turkey always threatening to go into northern iraq to clean it out?

See what I'm getting at here?

[waldo_ii]

Looking down the sights is less about knowing how to do it. It is more about them doing it correctly while under fire and under pressure. If I were dropped into a firefight, I would not be able to focus on looking down strange sights that I had never used, I would just spray the weapon and hope for the best. I wouldn't take the time to bend my head down and put my eyes in line with the sights if I hadn't been trained to do so. There isn't a way to keep insurgent forces from using a camera position that NATO forces can use.

I also do not think it is possible to keep one faction from reloading while another can.

The BF2 engine is very limited. You are either in a vehicle or you are not. If you are in a vehicle, you have access to all seats. While you are killed if you are in the wrong seat, there is a delay. Players can prey on that delay and rapidly switch seats (pressing F1, then F2, repeat). Two factions cannot share the same vehicle at one time. Players are not vulnerable in the first two seats of a tank. An insurgent who is allowed to use the .50 has access to these seats and can just mash F1 and F2, therefore being invulnerable to outside forces. The only way the coalition team can get their tank back is by killing that player. The only way they can kill that player is to destroy the tank. Then it defeats the purpose.

Insurgents are not underpowered. You just have to treat the faction differently. You cannot apply NATO strategies/tactics to insurgent forces. You must use different tactics/methods as insurgents in order to win. Insurgents are very robust and flexible, you just have to know how to play them correctly. I have seen games where the NATO has destroyed only one cache, and games where I lead a squad that destroyed 8 caches (no joke. Incredible round).

[alvina]

Looking down the sights is less about knowing how to do it. It is more about them doing it correctly while under fire and under pressure. If I were dropped into a firefight, I would not be able to focus on looking down strange sights that I had never used, I would just spray the weapon and hope for the best. I wouldn't take the time to bend my head down and put my eyes in line with the sights if I hadn't been trained to do so. There isn't a way to keep insurgent forces from using a camera position that NATO forces can use.

I also do not think it is possible to keep one faction from reloading while another can.

The BF2 engine is very limited. You are either in a vehicle or you are not. If you are in a vehicle, you have access to all seats. While you are killed if you are in the wrong seat, there is a delay. Players can prey on that delay and rapidly switch seats (pressing F1, then F2, repeat). Two factions cannot share the same vehicle at one time. Players are not vulnerable in the first two seats of a tank. An insurgent who is allowed to use the .50 has access to these seats and can just mash F1 and F2, therefore being invulnerable to outside forces. The only way the coalition team can get their tank back is by killing that player. The only way they can kill that player is to destroy the tank. Then it defeats the purpose.

Insurgents are not underpowered. You just have to treat the faction differently. You cannot apply NATO strategies/tactics to insurgent forces. You must use different tactics/methods as insurgents in order to win. Insurgents are very robust and flexible, you just have to know how to play them correctly. I have seen games where the NATO has destroyed only one cache, and games where I lead a squad that destroyed 8 caches (no joke. Incredible round).

Im a little bit tired so forgive me if I dont answer everything, but, Ok lets say insurgents cant use the aim (roflmao lol lmao) in the heat of fire and pressure then just make the unscoped abilty availble. And you are talking about tanks, im not, offcourse they shouldnt be able to use a tank.

Its funny how insurgents can use american weapons under fire and pressure.

[Troubadour]

YouTube - The browning M2 machinegun

Its not that hard to figure out the ma-deuce, it was built to be a pretty simple weapon. I am pretty sure its actually a lot simpler then the Kord 12.7mm that the insurgents use on their trucks.

[Solid Knight]

I figured out how to fire a M2 without assistance. It's not hard. Most weapons are not very hard to operate. You might as well say that the US shouldn't be able to pick up AKs because their too dumb to look down the sights, reload, and fire the weapon. It's so complex it requires a degree from MIT to operate a firearm.

[Eddie Baker]

Suggested before. We cannot team-unlock certain vehicle slots while keeping others team-locked on the same vehicle. With this engine, it's all or nothing.

The M2 has been around for almost 80 years and is in service all over the place, including the Middle East.

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