Knife 1 hit kill

[nick20404]

I think this mod is long overdue to get rid of the knife or to make it not 1 hit kill, its completely unrealistic, there is no where on the human body were you can be stabbed and instantly die. Even if someone stabbed you in the heart or slit your throat you would still be alive for a few minutes at least before bleeding out.

I suggest leaving the zipties as one hit kill but make the knife at least 3 or 5 hits before a kill.

[Zrix]

there is no where on the human body were you can be stabbed and instantly die

Pretty sure a knife inside your brain or the heart will make you die quite fast, but I'm no doctor, so I won't comment this further.

However, there are plenty of places where a stab would put you out of fighting condition, which is what dying in the game is meant to represent.

[nick20404]

Well the problem is the knife kills you but doesn't wound you like you are saying, the knife simply kills you even being stabbed in the foot as it sticks threw the wall will kill you. And If I had a nickle for every time I stabbed someones foot threw a wall I would be a rich man.

But running up to someone and just shanking them while they are looking at you is pretty unrealistic because anyone would just push the knife away from vital organs which you cannot do in game obviously.

[Solid Knight]

There's actually very few regions of the body where a single stab will outright kill you instantly. And these regions are small. I'd say you could survive a stab on 90% of your body. And given the large number of cases where people survive multiple stab wounds it wouldn't be all that unrealistic to make the knife a weapon that requires more than one stab to kill. Besides, it is kind of cheap knifing some dude's foot that is clipping through the wall and having him instantly die.

[nick20404]

There's actually very few regions of the body where a single stab will outright kill you instantly. And these regions are small. I'd say you could survive a stab on 90% of your body. And given the large number of cases where people survive multiple stab wounds it wouldn't be all that unrealistic to make the knife a weapon that requires more than one stab to kill. Besides, it is kind of cheap knifing some dude's foot that is clipping through the wall and having him instantly die.

Tbh nothing will outright kill you instantly even if you got your brains blown out by a shotgun you would technically still be alive for a minute or two. And most of these parts that would kill you quickly are covered by armor and a knife surely will not pass threw a ceramic plate, but maybe a traditional bullet proof vest.

[aperson444]

And most of these parts that would kill you quickly are covered by armor and a knife surely will not pass threw a ceramic plate, but maybe a traditional bullet proof vest.

Right. IRL A soldier would push away. If you can survive 1 shot to the chest in this game, 1 stab in the chest should not do much.

[Zrix]

Well the problem is the knife kills you but doesn't wound you like you are saying, the knife simply kills you even being stabbed in the foot as it sticks threw the wall will kill you. And If I had a nickle for every time I stabbed someones foot threw a wall I would be a rich man.

But running up to someone and just shanking them while they are looking at you is pretty unrealistic because anyone would just push the knife away from vital organs which you cannot do in game obviously.

True. I forgot about it killing you instead of just making you critically wounded.

On that I agree. That an adrenaline shot can revive you after getting a bullet inside your brain, but not after being stabbed is indeed strange and makes no real sense.



Further on this topic, shouldn't it be possible to code the knife to do different amounts of damage, depending on which bodypart you hit, just like every other weapon?
For example, a stab to the head is an instant critical, while a stab in the foot would only get you bleeding.

[Gore]

Tbh nothing will outright kill you instantly even if you got your brains blown out by a shotgun you would technically still be alive for a minute or two.

As soon as your brain is disabled it's like turning off a lightbulb. I assume you mean some of the bodily functions.

I agree with the suggestion, though alot of times when in a knife fight you hit the opponent several times with the result of that magic smoke that comes out of his head because of the crappy hit indicator, I'm sure I've won many knife fights where the opponent has hit me alot of times before he was hit once and killed. Editing the hit indicator could cause worse bugs. Hope there can be done something to it.

[bloodthirsty_viking]

i think the chest head area should still be one knife kill, but also if possible have it so the limbs ar more, that way, the knife will still mostly be used like it should, i mean how often are you knifed in hte face on this game? also thow, limbs being damaged should only do somethen like 25% damage, in my oppinion

[Spec]

Well, I'd say have hits to the head being instantly lethal, arms and legs bleeding, body turning you critically wounded and body while having body armour on not do that much damage.

That means if you sneak up to someone you can still one-hit him to the head, but if you're not in the better position and the enemy is armoured, there should be a good chance of him surviving the attack.

[Jigsaw]

It's meant to simulate a trained soldier slicing and dicing an enemy, thats all. It is realistic for that fact, as a soldier armed with a blade should be able to kill or seriously wound an enemy very very quickly.

It's a gameplay mechanic rather than anything else and is as realistic as it can be. I don't want to have to knife my enemy, who I spent 2 minutes sneaking up on, a million times before the game decides that i've done enough to kill him.

Plus theres no way it'll be removed. It would be completely wrong for the soldiers to not have a close combat weapon.

[BroCop]

Yeh....and besides we have bayonets on half of the weapons now and I am pretty much certain a bayonet that a soldier can kill someone with a bayonet more easily

[mrjoe(ita)]

ahaha u can survive multiple stab?!?! yeah probabbly from a swiss knife NOT the one thae army is using... i believe tha with enough power the army knife can chop someone's arm
and btw someone was saying some bullshit that if u get stabbed in the throat u will still funcion for a couple of minutes and survive if medic is close by... this is juste pure LOL

[Cheesygoodness]

ahaha u can survive multiple stab?!?! yeah probabbly from a swiss knife NOT the one thae army is using... i believe tha with enough power the army knife can chop someone's arm
and btw someone was saying some bullshit that if u get stabbed in the throat u will still funcion for a couple of minutes and survive if medic is close by... this is juste pure LOL

The reason you die when you throat is 'slashed' is because it severs your wind pipe making it impossible to breath. Assuming the wind-pipe is kept open and breathing assistance is nearby I don't see why you wouldn't have a chance to survive.

(Examples of people that survived getting there throat cut.)
Man expected to survive throat slashing near Block | adams, orange, fimbres, victim, boyfriend - News - OCRegister.com
Man survives cut throat; suspect jailed in Cobb | ajc.com
'Man had throat cut open in car' - News - getreading - Reading Evening Post

So yes. Actually mostly when your throat is cut you are able to function for several more minutes and it would likely take 4-5 minutes to completely die. If the jugular vein and bleeding out is your issue well... it would seem the UK news disagrees with having that cut killing you instantly, as does a Mr. Danso.

And I actually prefer the knife as it is. It simulates taking down your opponent at close range be it via knife, hand to hand stuff. All that. The close in fighting. I just figured I'd make that point.

[cyberzomby]

For the people who are comparing a knife hit to the chest or a bullet to the chest look at the difference: Bullet is only a small projectile while the knife has a (compared to the bulet) huge blade that is being put in your body leaving a lot of damage.

[masterceo]

i guess that the topic maker just got stabbed too many times. simple solution: don't let your enemies that close. if they are within stab range it's your fault

[Spec]

Well, if you sneak up to someone, aiming for the head shouldn't be too much of a problem. I just think that a soldier in full body armour should not be killed with one stab anywhere on his body.

[L4gi]

I think the knife should only wound you, not kill completely.

Ps: Jack Bauer can throw a screwdriver through a soft body armor(Newest season).

[Mastatschief]

i guess that the topic maker just got stabbed too many times. simple solution: don't let your enemies that close. if they are within stab range it's your fault

lol, this were also my thoughts.
btw, a good headset can help you not getting stabbed.