why do most people blindly rush about in PR?

[PLODDITHANLEY]

Hi Guys I have only been playing PR a few months, but I notice that most people (me included) rush about without really thinking eg:

Lone tank squads on Kashan without AA or infantry, can't they work with an AA equipped squad or two, and god forbid a truck with repair station would be a bit sharp too huh?
Imagine a supply truck with one or two AA supporting.

Most squads who run about without leapfrogging or covering each other, I believe squads on foot should be two sets of three leapfrogging with three always stationary covering the others. I am often squad medic and whenever we get contacts I empty a magazine on the marker as suppresive fire, I have never run out of ammo before dieing on PR...yet.

I have yet too see even once two infantry squads working togther on a Pub server!

Attack choppers covering transport choppers.

I suppose we are all guilty of this at one time or another.

The moral is I should be SL more often and try to advance slowly and intelligently.

[[A9]Bard]

There is alot of good sq leaders out there and try to join their squads.
When I play as sq leader i like to move with speed but alos try to keep the squad alive at all costs.
The problem as sq leader that I feel is that not all players listen and follow orders.
If I see a squad in a firefight I often like to make a flanking movement to attack from other location.
Maby I to make misstakes not following orders all the time but that´s when I´m either pinned down or bleeding heavely.

[Masterbake]

Get Mumble PR version, I cba to find the link but search it or wait for someone more helpful.
Then get on a good server like UKWF/T&T/Pelitutka and plenty of others as far as I know at a good time like the evening. The more people use mumble the better the inter-squad comms, and the abba deathrites as well.

[PLODDITHANLEY]

Yes I must try mumble but there seems to be alot of negative remarks about it, and I hate having to spend hours trying to get things to work on my computer.

I have only once played on UKWF as it is always full when I can play in the evenings CET, I enjoy T&T, the guys I have played with seem to be a good compromise between serious and fun, sometimes TG is a bit too 'pro' for a Noob like me.

So much so when I see the T&T server with only a few guys on it I join, it is quite fun when it is quiet and as well I like to try and help get their server going to try to put a little back.

I have played a few times on the Pelitutka server and eng VOIP was non existant which is normal for a lithuanian server!

I will join a clan soon enough, but after a bad experience with a VBF clan I willl take time to decide which.

[[A9]Bard]

I also gave mumble a try but after a few times I also got the feeling it wasn´t many using it. Maby I´m wrong, haven´t connected to mumble server for a while.
Then I watched a video of mumble PR and it wasn´t much usefull information between players.. only singing, playing music etc.. I´m not hardcore but I´m for more mature gaming ... (damn, when I read this again I feel old

Don´t take it the wrong way - Yes, sometimes it can be fun with a more laidback approach on a gamingnight but not always.

[Spaz]

I always play with mumble and when you got a lot of people on the same server with it its awesome, it just makes it feel so much real and you can coordinate between the squads a lot easier. And believe me its not often that people run around singing and playing music.

[[A9]Bard]

I always play with mumble and when you got a lot of people on the same server with it its awesome, it just makes it feel so much real and you can coordinate between the squads a lot easier. And believe me its not often that people run around singing and playing music.

ok, that sounds nice. I´ll give it another try then!
I didn´t get the feeling of it last time, I hope I get it next time.

[MadTommy]

Main problem.. no commanders = no one to control squads.

I'm not interested in any discuss about how or what the DEV team wants from the commander.. too many threads on that and the DEV team have their heals dug in... but the bottom line is; no one plays commander due to the nature of the role. No commander = limited inter-squad cohesion.

[JDMT]

Play a Community Match, or Join the PR-T. http://tournament.realitymod.com/ And as stated above USE MUMBLE!

[[A9]Bard]

Main problem.. no commanders = no one to control squads.

I'm not interested in any discuss about how or what the DEV team wants from the commander.. too many threads on that and the DEV team have their heals dug in... but the bottom line is; no one plays commander due to the nature of the role. No commander = limited inter-squad cohesion.

I made en effort once playing as commander, but instead of following orders people choose "negative". Also sometimes when I play as SQL it´s like mine and one more squad following the commander. I salute the commanders that has the stamina to endure this!

[Zimmer]

I always try to establish contact with a commander, but either he is just a vBF2 twat that thinks commander is to run aroun dpoiting his gun at things and request artillery, or he is just popping in for the area attack, or he just ignores me, when I ask what he wants me to do on the spot he is asking us to go to.

[cyberzomby]

The easiest solution is do it yourself. Even when that other infantry squad isnt on TS or Mumble, be his flank guard. Same with AA or Supply trucker. If your alone and you see those tanks in distress, ask via teamchat if they need help, or if you see one heading back to main, catch it with your repair station.

I usually do something like that when I'm SL. But my main tool of teamwork troughout the team is TS channel with my friends in other squads. Mumble not so much yet since its not used by everyone.

But like Tommy said, if we had a CO every game it would be a lot better.

[Alex6714]

Main problem.. no commanders = no one to control squads.

I'm not interested in any discuss about how or what the DEV team wants from the commander.. too many threads on that and the DEV team have their heals dug in... but the bottom line is; no one plays commander due to the nature of the role. No commander = limited inter-squad cohesion.

I agree with this but mumble just makes it worse. People are so engrossed in the proximity talk that squads the other side of the map get nothing at all. And the people who use it properly tend to use it in their squads anyway, to find a server with 64 on mumble is only possible properly on an organised night, and even then the problems of mumble are clearly present. Not just mumbles fault of course but it doesn´t help. Combine that with lack of commander, increase of new players (good and bad), decrease of some good players and this is what you get.

[goguapsy]

man, what I say is: not everytime is "leapfrog" required. sometimes its better to move as one squad, and its a tactic some SL use. I have been using only 1 squad (no fireteams) and i had great success, as I say "you 2, give suppresive fire while the rest of us go to flank him!"
works awesome.

[nick20404]

If you think about it its pretty realistic, if you were dropped into a random place and forced to fight a battle without any time to plan it out it would be pretty chaotic. In the 3 minutes before the battle starts you barely have enough time to create your own squad and tell them your plans you would be sitting at main for at least 5-10 minutes talking threw the whole team getting everyone to do a specific job.

If there is a good commander he can eventually get a team to work together. Like other people said you should join a community game since they are planned weeks or days before they happen you get a sense of what you are doing and it will be allot more organized and realistic.

Besides there are always heaps of new players or players who don't really care and do what they want and you can only avoid that by playing in private games.

[Darkpowder]

In reply to the OP:

Mad tommy is exactly right.
- Mumble isn't necessary for organised and perfect squad coordination. It allows people to have a more tactical game without a commander.
- You might enjoy the community matches, or the tournament, or some of the more hardcore tactical clans.
- I too find mumble good, but not the pre-requisite to a great game.

Personally i think the solution is for Tactical clans to put up some rules saying players must follow orders of the commander, implement the rule on a server and ensure one of the clan members plays commander.

In my opinion the experienced players and members of the heavily tactical clans have a duty to play commander more, and to enforce the rule that SL's must follow the commanders orders.

Try it for a few weekends. Result, the best servers will not be so busy and they will be filled with tactically oriented players. As MadTommy will know the best players should enjoy the benefit of a cohesive squad no matter how wasteful with assets, lives or lacking in tactics the other squads on the server are.

A commander is the solution, rather than new technology i feel

[Cassius]

because most people play it a lot like V-BF2

[Celtic Cormac]

I could seriously go for a BEER right now !

[USA-Forever932]

All this talk about commanders here is nice and all but still, it leaves the problem that commander is boring and stressful. If people are saying, "Watch youtube" or "Eat food" or "insert fun time waster here." then Something, whatever it is, has gone horribly wrong and has ruined the entire commander experience. The purpose of this is to have fun in a mentally challenging environment with like minded people. Why has the commander position become as glamorous as waiting for an F-16 to spawn? Pilots watch youtube while they wait, Commanders what youtube while they command. Something is wrong with this picture, the most important player is now watching youtube. Sounds like he would not only enjoy himself more by leaving his post and fighting as an infantryman, he would probably be a better asset to the team. Yes, I said it, the commander can be useless when a group of self-sufficient mumble/teamspeakers can just run about and win the game regardless. He can end up muted and ignored 7 out of ten times. If PR is supposed to be about teamwork, something has to be done about commander so that the position is just used to do more than okay build orders and area attacks while sucking bandwith watching youtube.

Before you all flame me, how many of you would actually volunteer to play commander in a pub game? How many of you are these super-skilled commanders who post on the forum, discuss commander tactics and read the guides posted by other players (I'm not being offensive here, those players are a great asset to the community)? Sadly, you are all the minority. No one wants to do your job, and even when some of you do, you're busy doing other things besides PR to keep yourself from getting bored and quitting. This is a flaw with the game that needs to be rectified. Sure Clan matches have dedicated commanders coupled with 6 ready and willing squads, but not every game is a NATO/CATA tournament.

It's my belief that commander is the way to go to make the next teamwork hurdle for PR. To unite squads in every game, not just the TCC and DM clanners with Teamspeak, but everyone! So, commanding has to be encouraged, listening to a good commander has to be encouraged. Sitting behind a desk watching youtube while self sufficient squads get to play the game is not the way to go.

SL: Man, I'm tired, anyone else want to go sl
SM: *Grumble Grumble* Fine I'll do it.
This squad member, if he puts in the effort, may end up being a good squad leader and will nonetheless walk away with a satisfying gaming experience.

SM: Jesus, all these squads are so uncoordinated, we need a commander.
SM: I guess I could give it a shot, I can squad lead and that's interesting, so I'll try commander.

This squad member, will probably run into his desk, grab his kit and begin to command, only to be ignored. His orders will be met with radio static, his waypoints will instantly be met with "Negative" his markers will be ignored and his orders will be met with "negative." Also, with games like I've played with db on Al Basrah, commander wasn't even needed. Everyone just got in their vehicles with a huge formation and steamrolled the insurgents. They knew where to go to avoid IEDs and did so beautifully. No commander, no coordination, but mumble was there... making the commander even more worthless.

[CAS_117]

Because they can.