[question] TOWs on APCs

[Rudd]

The bradley can fire 2 tows quite quickly, but they are weaker than the BMPs, the BMP fires one, but its bigger, Correct? (I didnt actually realise this)

My Confusion then is...how do they reload the TOWs IRL?

I was looking at the Bradley model and I couldn't figure it out from there, does it retract and get new missles?

Or do the crew/whoever have to stand on top and insert new missles?

if its the latter, why can they reload on the fly ingame?

[Eddie Baker]

The bradley can fire 2 tows quite quickly, but they are weaker than the BMPs, the BMP fires one, but its bigger, Correct? (I didnt actually realise this)

My Confusion then is...how do they reload the TOWs IRL?

I was looking at the Bradley model and I couldn't figure it out from there, does it retract and get new missles?

Or do the crew/whoever have to stand on top and insert new missles?

if its the latter, why can they reload on the fly ingame?

The real-life AT-10 and TOW 2 are about equal in terms of penetration; I advised them to be the same way in game, but haven't tested them. The Bradley's launcher retracts to the down position, where there is a hatch beneath it, and it is loaded from within the vehicle.

[Heikkine]

it would be bad-***, but would it be fair for the other team? i mean they would also need something to counter it, make it "fair"

[McBumLuv]

it would be bad-***, but would it be fair for the other team? i mean they would also need something to counter it, make it "fair"

No, they don't. Assymetry FTW. The BMP doesn't need stronger missiles to be on equal footings with the Bradley. Overall, it's just a way better vehicle, with 30 mm guns firing at 600 RPM, 100-something mm HEAT shells, gunner and passenger controlled coaxes, and the AT-10.

Why balance something that doesn't need it? Tactics, strategy, and to some degree skill determine who will win. Assets should never be balanced out on a one vs one basis.

[Rudd]

My personal belief is that Assets should not be nerfed in the name of balance, but instead the asset choice of the map should make the powerful/less powerful asset a feature.

e.g. you could mix BMPs, BTRs, Bradleys and Strykers with maybe a TOW humvee to result in a very varied, yet cumulatively powerful group of vehicles if they work together. <- i.e. the teamworking team wins.

[LeChuckle]

about the konkurs missile on the brdm, isnt it way too strong? its very easy to kill T90s now, i killed one with only 1 missile(frontal hit, fresh T90) the other day

[IAJTHOMAS]

I was looking at the Bradley model and I couldn't figure it out from there, does it retract and get new missles?

I think when a gunner first jumps in you can see the TOW launcher extend out from the bradley's turret, i might be imagining it/confusing it with another game though.

[Expendable Grunt]

I think when a gunner first jumps in you can see the TOW launcher extend out from the bradley's turret, i might be imagining it/confusing it with another game though.

Does it in PR, too.

AFAIK, they're the same strength; I could be wrong though. BMP-3's got the versatility to be quite kick arse; Bradley makes up by having a second TOW.

M.

[Rudd]

AFAIK, they're the same strength; I could be wrong though. BMP-3's got the versatility to be quite kick arse; Bradley makes up by having a second TOW.

as mcluv said, the cannon ROF and other HEAT options is probably why the bradley has greater AT capability

[Outlawz7]

Someone might want to check the AT-10 vs Humvees, I got shot by a BMP3 TOW while inside that Humvee USA gets on Kashan at start and didn't die or take damage at all.

[Mongolian_dude]

Personally, I am concerned that the PLA forces lack vehicle-borne ATGMs in game. Im pretty sure that the WZ-10 APC can accommodate TOWs (like the vBF2 model did as such), and a new variant be re-implemented where it does have the TOW.
I dont think that all the current 30mm WZ-10s need TOWs, just that there is something that rivals the BMP-3 and M2A2, as I could see in future combined arms maps, the PLA are out-gunned.


This also reminds me of the British Armed forces and their lack of vehicle-borne ATGMs.
I believe the Warrior IFV can be equipped with a pair of TOW launchers or differently, using the a CVR(T) chassis that is already in PR, the FV-102 Striker could be modelled as a counterpart to the US's TOWvee and the OpFor Spandrel.

hmmm...

...mongol...

[Rudd]

I dont think that all the current 30mm WZ-10s need TOWs, just that there is something that rivals the BMP-3 and M2A2, as I could see in future combined arms maps, the PLA are out-gunned.

Gameplay wise it might be fun to leave them TOWless and keep their tunguksa thingy

[Mongolian_dude]

Gameplay wise it might be fun to leave them TOWless and keep their tunguksa thingy

Ah, true. Not a bad Idea.
Now i think about it, I think the Striker might have been retired. A shame, as it sounds like it would have made an interesting vehicle to use.

Anyone got any info on the operation-status of British FV-102?

...mongol...

[Rudd]

tbh Mongol, even if it has we have an alternative thanks to our French friends and their community mod, could always mount the Milan on to the rover

[Bob_Marley]

Mongolian_dude;1107863']This also reminds me of the British Armed forces and their lack of vehicle-borne ATGMs.
I believe the Warrior IFV can be equipped with a pair of TOW launchers or differently, using the a CVR(T) chassis that is already in PR, the FV-102 Striker could be modelled as a counterpart to the US's TOWvee and the OpFor Spandrel.

hmmm...

...mongol...

The Desert Warrior with the 25mm bushmaster turret used by the Kuwaitis has twin TOW launchers, the British version does not have any ATGM capiblity.

As for the MILAN, its been taken out of service and been replaced with the Javelin.

[nick20404]

When facing heavier enemy armor the Bradley relies on the TOW Anti-Tank Missile, manufactured by the Hughes Aircraft. Launched from a smooth tube launcher, the missile’s wings and tail fins are folded inside its body until launch. Two of these missiles are carried ready to fire in a collapsible, armored launch rack on the left of the turret. The Bradley must stop in order to fire these missiles, which are them reloaded by the Infantrymen in the back of the vehicle, using a special hatch which provides armor protection during the reload operation.

Source

M2 and M3 Bradley Fighting Vehicle Systems (BFVS)

Does this answer your question?

[DankE_SPB]

Gameplay wise it might be fun to leave them TOWless and keep their tunguksa thingy

PLA anti-air is not so badass as Tunguska in it AT capabilities, at least in previous versions, never checked it in 0.86, i believe thats because it has 25mm guns or i'm wrong?

about the konkurs missile on the brdm, isnt it way too strong? its very easy to kill T90s now, i killed one with only 1 missile(frontal hit, fresh T90) the other day

agreed, it should do nothing for frontal armor

[sheggalism]

Mongolian_dude;1107863']Personally, I am concerned that the PLA forces lack vehicle-borne ATGMs in game. Im pretty sure that the WZ-10 APC can accommodate TOWs (like the vBF2 model did as such), and a new variant be re-implemented where it does have the TOW.

You mean this variant : link link ? Too bad the WZ-550 ATGM carrier is based on the 4x4 wheeled one, not the vBF2 6x6 APC design !

There's also this goodie : Type 87 PTL-02.

The weapon system was based on the 100mm smoothbore gun of the Type 86 towed anti-tank gun, mounted on a WZ551 6X6 wheeled armoured vehicle. The Type 87 only saw very limited production. However, in the early 2000s, an improved variant designated PTL02 was fielded by the PLA in its light mechanised infantry troops, along with the ZSL92 family of wheeled armoured fighting vehicles [...] China imported the Russian 9K116 Bastion (NATO reporting name: AT-10 Stabber) 100mm laser beam-riding anti-tank guided missile (ATGM) and its associated fire-control system in the late 1990s. An indigenous copy of the 9K116 has been produced locally under license. The PTL02 can fire the missile via its 100mm main gun. Six missiles are carried onboard the vehicle.

Just giving some ideas !

[Rudd]

^ I like that idea! and it wouldn't mean a whole new model

[Eddie Baker]

Mongolian_dude;1107863']Personally, I am concerned that the PLA forces lack vehicle-borne ATGMs in game. Im pretty sure that the WZ-10 APC can accommodate TOWs (like the vBF2 model did as such), and a new variant be re-implemented where it does have the TOW.
I dont think that all the current 30mm WZ-10s need TOWs, just that there is something that rivals the BMP-3 and M2A2, as I could see in future combined arms maps, the PLA are out-gunned.

You mean the WZ551 (actual service designation Type 92) APC/IFV? WZ-10 is the yet-to-enter full production attack helicopter that we've left in for balance reasons (don't look at me). And no, aside from the WZ550 4x4 HJ-9 carrier, no variant of it has an ATGM capability. The BF2 model was DICE fantasy created for clone balancing purposes.