FU All SAW Whores!

Post by **RikiRude** » 2006-06-08 19:32

Am I the only one that actually prefers the RPK over the SAW? I even prefer the chinese weapon over it! I don't know what it is, but I'm far more accurate with the RPK, and drop way more guys, it just seems more powerful and sounds better. Anytime I use the SAW I miss most longer range targets as well. Any one else prefer a weapon most people don't?

Post by **Bob_Marley** » 2006-06-08 19:44

I love my RPK-74 and will usually dump a SAW if i'm using one to get my greasy mits on the RPK-74. I find that the lower rate of fire makes it much more magable than the minimi and much more controlable, particularly on sustained bursts (10-15 shots). I dont know about the actual stats but for me it always seems to have much lower deviation and to do more damage than either of its competitiors.

I cant say I've ever actually used the type 95 SAW thingy that much (in either vanilla or PRMM) as I usually stick to a good old fasioned AK copy when playing as the PLA.

Post by **e-Gor** » 2006-06-08 19:45

Pistol. Learn to use it well, and it's a very deadly close combat weapon. The AT class isn't as underpowered as everyone makes out.

dunkellic · Post by **dunkellic** » 2006-06-08 19:56

rpk is nice, it´s quite accurate (especially compared to the saw), but the chinese rifle, my god its terrible ^^.
the saw is an advantage on shorter distances because of the rate of fire and the spread (you don´t have to aim that accurate)

Butmonkey · Post by **Butmonkey** » 2006-06-08 20:23

Im scared of the Chineese Engineer gun....scared that i will break it like a toy.

Garack · Post by **Garack** » 2006-06-08 21:24

'[R-DEV wrote:Riki_Rude_BTYC']Am I the only one that actually prefers the RPK over the SAW? I even prefer the chinese weapon over it! I don't know what it is, but I'm far more accurate with the RPK, and drop way more guys, it just seems more powerful and sounds better. Anytime I use the SAW I miss most longer range targets as well. Any one else prefer a weapon most people don't?

I can tell you what it is, its your modding code

SAW:

ObjectTemplate.deviation.setFireDev 1.2 0.4 0.4
ObjectTemplate.deviation.minDev 0.8
ObjectTemplate.deviation.setTurnDev 3 2 2 0.5
ObjectTemplate.deviation.setSpeedDev 4 0.6 0.6 0.05
ObjectTemplate.deviation.setMiscDev 10 5 0.03
ObjectTemplate.deviation.devModStand 2.0
ObjectTemplate.deviation.devModCrouch 1.2
ObjectTemplate.deviation.devModLie 0.4
ObjectTemplate.deviation.devModZoom 0.25

PKM:

ObjectTemplate.createComponent SoldierDeviationComp
ObjectTemplate.deviation.setFireDev 1.0 0.1 0.05
ObjectTemplate.deviation.minDev 0.5
ObjectTemplate.deviation.setTurnDev 0 0 0 0
ObjectTemplate.deviation.setSpeedDev 1 0.1 0.1 0.1
ObjectTemplate.deviation.setMiscDev 1.5 0.5 0.025
ObjectTemplate.deviation.devModStand 1.8
ObjectTemplate.deviation.devModCrouch 1.2
ObjectTemplate.deviation.devModZoom 0.6
ObjectTemplate.deviation.devModLie 1.0

Post by **e-Gor** » 2006-06-08 21:48

Yes, RPK is more accurate, but it fires a lot slower too. They both have their advantages, in different situations.

Szarko · Post by **Szarko** » 2006-06-08 21:52

Yep. I prefer the SAW though. I find I can be more accurate with it. No idea why...

fred450 · Post by **fred450** » 2006-06-08 21:54

RPK and SAW are great. The chinese counterpart is terrible, I don't know why that thing is still in the game...

Malik · Post by **Malik** » 2006-06-08 22:15

Because it's real? I love the Type 95 to death, it's a real assault rifle with a decent rate of fire and I can really rip players up in those tight jungle maps.

Skullening.Chris · Post by **Skullening.Chris** » 2006-06-09 00:13

Yep, at it's core, the game is still a contest of who can dive to the floor fastest while spraying their SAW (with perfect precision) into the face of the opposing AR gunner (cuz, seriously, who plays as any other class anymore?)

fred450 · Post by **fred450** » 2006-06-09 00:26

Malik wrote:Because it's real? I love the Type 95 to death, it's a real assault rifle with a decent rate of fire and I can really rip players up in those tight jungle maps.

There are several real weapons around the world which aren't in PRMM. I think the ingame weapons should be carefully chosen order not to create too much unbalancing (there isn't a lack of choices). Right now the chinese weapons are crippled and you can't compare their Type 95 with the M249 and their AK-47 with the M-16. Remember those are the "core" weapons for their respective teams. Please don't give me that "I rule with the Type 95" because you don't stand a chance with it unless you're close enough to the enemy to knife him.

Post by **RikiRude** » 2006-06-09 00:54

'[R-DEV wrote:e-Gor']Pistol. Learn to use it well, and it's a very deadly close combat weapon. The AT class isn't as underpowered as everyone makes out.

I can agree with that!

I like the chinese support gun because its so easy to place steady head shots.

i dont have too much of a problem when i come across support when im AR, just flank them, or surprise.

hahahha i just noticed your "not emo" tag heh.

twisted · Post by **twisted** » 2006-06-09 05:50

the LMGs are absolutley deadly in PRMM. even the chinese one i can use to take out people quite far away.

in fact, at least the chinese LMG has some recoil and you must keep putting it back on target. the m249 is now simply point and click and hold, not much challenge there. (i'm sure the m249s recoil and that of the rpk has become less and the deviation growth more, is that just my imagination?).

i play assualt and have a challenging time maintaining a positive K/D ratio. i change to LMG and i move to a 3:1 kill death ratio or better. this is frustrating becase support used to be my favourite class to play with finding a tactical position overlooking a importnat points in game then setting up there.

the M249 now seems more like the ultimax100 MK4. now that's a scary LMG with hardly any recoil. http://www.military.com/soldiertech/0,1 ... 4,,00.html

a fast buzzing with a drift to the side and up for the m249 (with a corresponding lessenng of deviation) would replicate the fast firing action of the m249 & make the weapon more rewarding to use. similar for the rpk i suppose just a bit sharper and slower.

the lmg's are wonderfully deadly. all of them. can't wait to see how the devs evolve them.

Solitas · Post by **Solitas** » 2006-06-09 12:16

The reason people feel the Chinese gun is not as good as the others is probably this, it's an Assault Rifle. Or rather it's stuck in between an AR and an LMG.

You see the gun in reality is basically a QBZ-95 AR with a Bipod, heavier and longer barrel, and a larger magazine (the mag actually only has 75 rnds, not 100). It should actually have all the same firing modes as the basic rifle (they're the same as the AK-101), sadly it doesn't.

I'm hoping if/when the Devs change the Chinese loadout they'll address this, as the QBB-95 (it's official designation) should really be the best example of 'a beefed up Assault Rifle' which is what LMG's really are.

As for LMG preference, I go with the SAW due ot the large mag. Means I can provide suppressive fire over an area of ground pretty easily for a time.
Plus being in NOD means I'm naturally going to be using it more (as Iw as in ARRC)

six7 · Post by **six7** » 2006-06-09 12:33

I perfer the RPK by far to the SAW in longer range engagements, but in closer quarters, the SAW is unbeatable.

I have a question. What is up w/ the SAW overheating after ~20 rounds have been fired? Even in bursts, it still overheats. It kind of makes the whole idea of supressing fire worthless. Also, why does the RPK have 140 rounds in the drum? It should have 45 in an extended clip and 75 in the drum.

Solitas · Post by **Solitas** » 2006-06-09 12:56

'[R-PUB wrote:six7']I perfer the RPK by far to the SAW in longer range engagements, but in closer quarters, the SAW is unbeatable.

I have a question. What is up w/ the SAW overheating after ~20 rounds have been fired? Even in bursts, it still overheats. It kind of makes the whole idea of supressing fire worthless. Also, why does the RPK have 140 rounds in the drum? It should have 45 in an extended clip and 75 in the drum.

The ammo count is simply a balance issue from vbf2, same with the QBB-95. They'll probably change it I'd imagine.

As for the SAW, can't say I'd had that 20 rnds of overheating. Though continuous firing from any LMG is ill advised, and I can hit targets at extreme ranges wiht the SAW fine. Does take practice though.

Thunder · Post by **Thunder** » 2006-06-09 13:21

the chinese LMG and RPK are often used like sniper rifles, in the latest patch ive seen alot more RPKs firing single shot especailly on city maps, ive even be out sniped by one quite a few times.

longhairedhippy · Post by **longhairedhippy** » 2006-06-09 15:13

I really like the Ak-47.