APC/BTR mean TRANSPORT&SUPPORT!!!

[Mutherpucker]

APC/BTR need to understand this:

APC and BTR are meant to transport troops quickly across the battlefield, period. Of course you defend yourself when you face an enemy counter part, but that's about it.

Most of the time, I see APCs and BTRs just running around when they should help us raid those enemy bases! YOU GUYS ARE SUPPOSED TO SUPPORT US, even if it mean getting shot by a HAT.

When an apc/btr is around, everybody duck and cover, MEANING your fellow infantry men can enter those building without getting shot from windows.

The perfect example would be in MUTTRAH: you know those T building? any of them but especially those double T building... well, most of the time, firefight occurs there when the enemy is holding that place and you can't get to it. THAT is when APCs/BTRs are supposed to be the answer, the perfect assault would be 2 armored transport waiting squads in the FOB, then go quickly to those T buildings, drop them and patrol around it, so the squad you just dropped there can raid the building!!!

I once succeed organizing this by being the COMMANDER in MEC on MUTTRAH: being the squad commander, you overlook the BTRs telling them: go at the fob wait there, then telling "squad X you have transport coming your way, stanby. you place a marker for the btrs, then once the squad is in, you place another marker where you want the squad to go, that's it, and you do the same again, another marker for the btrs on the FOB and so on.

Really it's all about having a commander with that tactic in mind... people will listen to you, because 1, btrs don't know where they are going, they dont have time to look on their map, and Squad in general hate to walk, and they simply don't ask for transport.

Try this and you'll see!

[snooggums]

Most of the time, I see APCs and BTRs just running around when they should help us raid those enemy bases! YOU GUYS ARE SUPPOSED TO SUPPORT US, even if it mean getting shot by a HAT.

Although your T shaped building example is solid (ie support while on the move), saying they should risk being shot by HAT is silly. That is 7 non-revivable points.

[jbgeezer]

you dont need to tell us this, we allready know it.

[rampo]

As a wise man once said, Players are hardcoded

[Mutherpucker]

I still see people running around like crazy, not supporting us when we would GREATLY profit for their help!

Thing is, when the apc stay behind troops, it's much, MUCH harder to hit it with the hat. Not to mention that there is a great chance some troop will spot the HAT before it shoot, or just blurring his screen, or making him miss his target.

Most of times, they are just wasting their time running around the city without supporting the troops, if they do hang around troops and they get shoot, well at least they will have contributed to breaking the frontline and your team will greatly profit from that, in most case.

I know most people know that, but it's always good to remember it to people.

[Wh33lman]

I half agree with this. Most people treat APC's like mini-tanks, and dont bother to suport the infantry. As for taking a HAT round to defend the infantry, I think thats kind of stupid. The APC should pull back in the face of a AT, wait for the infantry to take it out, then come back into the fight. What you seem to be missing is that the APC can't do everything, they need the infantry just as much as the infantry needs them.

[badmojo420]

And on insurgency maps like Fallujah & Korengal the APCs should stay at the main base and defend. Being able to look around and take out snipers and other base rapers without the danger of being shot outweighs any fire support or transport they could provide in other parts of the map. Of course if the main is secure and has been for a while, you can move out. But all too often you'll see APCs drive off into the sunset, while the main is still under heavy fire.

[SilentWarrior]

Its funny that player complain about APCs not transporting them... but then we have the situation of an APC sitting 1-2 mins beeping to a nearby squad and they just look at you clueless about why you beeping about... and even shoot at you.

[mongol-horde]

infantry itself sometimes doesnt care of such support being given, apc is becoming an armoured truck in this case.

[ma21212]

ppl dont understand that sometimes APCs cant transport you b/c were engaging enemy armor. hell your welcome to ride along with us but if we get killed then insted of 2 ppl dead you get 6. i hate it on kashan when moron SLs yell at the APCs squads constantly asking for trans. when the APC drivers keep TELLING them to wait.

[Drunkenup]

The lack of infantry is highly evident with APCs. The only way people will use them in the ferrying of troops on such maps where the APC will not be effective, (Strykers on EJOD for one). And simply leave the infantry to take jeeps or get a ride via Helicopters. Helicopter prove to be a very risky and highly suicidal path of transportation at times. As much as I'd like to see APCs to start taking infantry and concentrating on that, we can't. Especially on Muttrah, and Jabal, where the USMC LAV-25s are taking 5 minutes to reach shore. There was only one time when I've seen myself or others using the APCs as transport for other players, and that was on Jabal with all Hueys down. I highly encourage APC transport at the beginning of the round to provide fast insertion to dangerous areas where Helicopters render useless.

[Mutherpucker]

I half agree with this. Most people treat APC's like mini-tanks, and dont bother to suport the infantry. As for taking a HAT round to defend the infantry, I think thats kind of stupid. The APC should pull back in the face of a AT, wait for the infantry to take it out, then come back into the fight. What you seem to be missing is that the APC can't do everything, they need the infantry just as much as the infantry needs them.

Oh! no no! you got me wrong now! I don't say stay in plain sight even if a hat is coming! Of course not! Get out of the way if you can! And run around the building like crazy if you need to! But don't just pass by and run the whole map, circle around your infantry, provide them the fear an apc give to the enemy so they can make a move, don't just pass by full speed, use your head and circle around your troops.

And yes, infantry tend to forget that when an apc is around, Now is the time to take action. So it work the other way around too, if an apc provide covering fire and is taking risk just so you can advance, well don't waste his time! Cuz the apc can get shot trying to support you! So it would be kind of stupid if after all that covering fire, you would still be hiding on the other side of the street...

[Mutherpucker]

As much as I'd like to see APCs to start taking infantry and concentrating on that, we can't. Especially on Muttrah, and Jabal, where the USMC LAV-25s are taking 5 minutes to reach shore.

You don't transport troop from the carrier to the land! You transport troops lets say, from dock to north city, or from west to east or west to south. Quick transportation inland So you can capture flags quickly and raid key building.

[dtacs]

You don't transport troop from the carrier to the land! You transport troops lets say, from dock to north city, or from west to east or west to south. Quick transportation inland So you can capture flags quickly and raid key building.

Even then its takes the choppers about 10 seconds to pick someone up and deliver them somewhere else, and if its on top of a building the inf already have their work half cut out for them.

Choppers just tend to be a better and safer alternative from games I've played on Muttrah in a LAV (alot)

[Rudd]

I find mumble helps alot in keeping an APC and dismounts as one unit, as they can discuss what exactly they are gonna do together inside the vehicle.

also helps alot with teh APC's 360 vision as the infantry can just run over and tell him when targets are close/apcs can be heard, having that increase in field of view is enough to keep my APC next to infantry.

[Truism]

I didn't read the thread. Mostly because I assumed it said the same thing as the other hundred threads we've all seen posted on exactly this topic.

APCs are light tanks for recon by force, fire-support and axis shifting penetrations.

Sure you could carry a squad in the back, and then sit largely idle in areas where you know enemy infantry who will report you are operating there for heavy AT assets to come and nuke you. You could do this so everyone could get a warm and fuzzy feeling that they're acting "realistically". Or, you could use yourself as a real maneuvre element and shape the battlespace with decisive action.

You could even move around where you dropped the squad off and support them, staying in one general area until you get owned, performing survival drills if you're cluey. Or you could use their potential, and let dismounted assets use their strengths that actually have almost no synergy with your's, supporting them indirectly by shaping the battlespace in their favour.

[TheLean]

APC/BTR need to understand this:

APC and BTR are meant to transport troops quickly across the battlefield, period. Of course you defend yourself when you face an enemy counter part, but that's about it.

Most of the time, I see APCs and BTRs just running around when they should help us raid those enemy bases! YOU GUYS ARE SUPPOSED TO SUPPORT US, even if it mean getting shot by a HAT.

When an apc/btr is around, everybody duck and cover, MEANING your fellow infantry men can enter those building without getting shot from windows.

The perfect example would be in MUTTRAH: you know those T building? any of them but especially those double T building... well, most of the time, firefight occurs there when the enemy is holding that place and you can't get to it. THAT is when APCs/BTRs are supposed to be the answer, the perfect assault would be 2 armored transport waiting squads in the FOB, then go quickly to those T buildings, drop them and patrol around it, so the squad you just dropped there can raid the building!!!

I once succeed organizing this by being the COMMANDER in MEC on MUTTRAH: being the squad commander, you overlook the BTRs telling them: go at the fob wait there, then telling "squad X you have transport coming your way, stanby. you place a marker for the btrs, then once the squad is in, you place another marker where you want the squad to go, that's it, and you do the same again, another marker for the btrs on the FOB and so on.

Really it's all about having a commander with that tactic in mind... people will listen to you, because 1, btrs don't know where they are going, they dont have time to look on their map, and Squad in general hate to walk, and they simply don't ask for transport.

Try this and you'll see!

Just to comment on you first part where you say APC are meant to transport troops on the battlefield. I suppose you mean APCs does this IRL?

From what I have gathered on my jurneys to internetland, in real life, APCs usually act more of troop transports on the way to the frontlines, not on the scene of the battle.

For example, if the mutthra battle happened IRL with the same assets, I imagine the BTRs being used only for firesupport and not transport since the enemy is only few minutes walk away. It is not like the soldiers would go Damn now we have to walk three minutes before the bullets start flying! Im so bored I cant wait that long so lets grab a ride in this big noisy steel can and save two minutes and hope the enemy doesnt shoot us with their, LATs, HATs, mines, Cobra, attackhuey or APCs on the way.


On the other hand if you mean that APCs should transport people ingame, I totally agree with you since PR is about capping flags alot of the time and that requires boots on the ground real fast.

On the subject of firesupport I must say it depends on the situation. Firesupport when attached to a squad can be tricky since it usually lead to the APC staying immobile for too long, and the most important thing in an APC is to keep moving and not stay in the same place since it gives the enemy time to figure out how to take it down. I find that it is often best to race around in the APCs, attacking enemies when you see them but never stay still for too long.

[Herbiie]

Choppers just tend to be a better and safer alternative from games I've played on Muttrah in a LAV (alot)

A Chopper cna be taken out by HAT, LAT, AA,.50, enemy APC, and an LMG. One the HLS if you come under fire you're dead.

A LAV can be taken out by LAT, and HAT. If you take fire on the disembarkment point (yeah I made that up) then you have an APC with you with it's 30mm cannon and it's armour.

Which is safer?

@ TheLean the APCs let the infantry out alot clsoer to their objective than the main bases of PR maps, and during the abttle thye provide fire support.

[Gore]

you dont need to tell us this, we allready know it.

Yes, I think I've seen a max of 5 people from this forum in all the time I've been here. Everybody on here seems to be the good ones, but you're nowhere to be found ingame, sadly.