Return Incendiaries to SLs

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Startrekern
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Return Incendiaries to SLs

Post by Startrekern »

I believe Incendiary Grenades should be returned to squad leaders simply for gameplay reasons. Let's look at (my) standard squad layout(s):

1. SL -
2. Rifspec +
3. Rifleman +
4. Rifleman +
5. Medic -
6. SAW -


So here we have three people with Incendiaries and 3 without incendiaries, assuming a full six-man squad. Let's assume a four-man squad:

1. SL -
2. Rifspec +
3. Rifleman +
4. Medic -

That's only two with incendiaries. My reasoning behind returning the Incendiary to the SL is mainly based on my own irritation with not being able to blow up a cache I run across at all. Honestly, recently, I've tended to not even use the officer kit on insurgency maps like Gaza because of this as long as there are FOBs in the region. The lack of an incendiary for SLs on ins maps discourages the use of the SL kit - I've seen other people do the same, taking rifspec for example instead of officer.
Redamare
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Re: Return Incendiaries to SLs

Post by Redamare »

I think SL should have incindiary also -_- .... i agree with what your saying
AgentMongoose
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Re: Return Incendiaries to SLs

Post by AgentMongoose »

Honestly I don't mind sl's not having them. It would be nice if they had them but I don't really care.
Especially with the doubling of the incendiary that they carry.
dtacs
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Re: Return Incendiaries to SLs

Post by dtacs »

How is it irritating not being able to take out a cache with an incendiary? Did you know it only takes 30 assault rifle rounds (a whole magazine...) to destroy one?

Shoot cache, blows up and kills you, medic comes in and revives, all good.
Ford_Jam
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Re: Return Incendiaries to SLs

Post by Ford_Jam »

^^ took 2 mags with the canadian assault rifle on Archer last night. :\

Keep the incendiaries out of the SL kit imo. Otherwise it becomes a kit that can do almost everything.
A full squad should have plenty of incendiary grenades and if you can't find any, rearm or steal enemy kits :)
dtacs
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Re: Return Incendiaries to SLs

Post by dtacs »

Ford_Jam wrote:^^ took 2 mags with the canadian assault rifle on Archer last night. :\

Keep the incendiaries out of the SL kit imo. Otherwise it becomes a kit that can do almost everything.
A full squad should have plenty of incendiary grenades and if you can't find any, rearm or steal enemy kits :)
U MAD?

You know I love my AKs, took me one mag on Korengal. I could be full of shit though :|
Ford_Jam
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Re: Return Incendiaries to SLs

Post by Ford_Jam »

I'm all srs bsns dtacs.

AK does more damage? could've been damaged?

On Archer, I put one full mag on it and it exploded once but was still there... is that saying I've killed it?
I put a second one into it for good measure cause the cache was still there...
LithiumFox
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Re: Return Incendiaries to SLs

Post by LithiumFox »

I feel the squad leader could get something more useful....... This open slot allows them to give the SL another "weapon" or tool they can use whatever that might be


This also gives a reason for people using the SL kit to actually get their squad mates to DO something. It's like "Hey, Jim. Go throw an incendiary on that cache."

I say no because I feel like it's fine how it is, and actually improves squad play. Not everyone needs stuff to destroy stuff. I don't believe everyone should have the tools to destroy stuff.

(my sarcastic version of what life would be like if squad leaders in real life had this)
Medic: "Hey guys there's this razorwire in the way. Should we call a trained rifleman or engineer? We have to wait on Valquez to get up here and throw an incendiary"
Squad Leader: "Noooo Lets just do it ourselves. I have pretty much every usable item in the game. You guys don't need to do nothing. Lets go!"

=/

Basically, the squad leader would become a super kit. I personally wish they never gave everyone those stupid things to begin with. You guys have become all "OMG I HATE THIS RAWR".

Pick up a nearby kit. If you played right, your squad should either be near you, or dead near you. Pick up their kit and use THEIR incendiary. If not, then maybe you should wait for your squad or tell your commander to get another squad to come fix it... oh right... maybe instead of working on stupid stuff like squad leaders getting grenades that blow up tanks, they should work on getting people to actually play as Commander?

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Trooper909
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Re: Return Incendiaries to SLs

Post by Trooper909 »

Back in the old days only engineer could blow up a cache although thay thay were one per SQ I think.SL does not need thermite as SL's shouldnt be rambo'ing caches anyway.
CallousDisregard
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Re: Return Incendiaries to SLs

Post by CallousDisregard »

I don't think SL need inc. grenades because they have squad members to take care of that and if a squad has been so successful in the field that they have used 4-6 inc. grenades then the logistics element of the game comes into play and they must arrange for resupply.
Sir.Grossi
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Re: Return Incendiaries to SLs

Post by Sir.Grossi »

^^

Last 2 posts sum it up! Not needed IMO, as a regular SL it has not affected
my Squad's or my ability to do the job!

Plus Rifleman gets 2 now.

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Smegburt_funkledink
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Re: Return Incendiaries to SLs

Post by Smegburt_funkledink »

^ exactly. SL's should be working with their squad anyway, obviously.
Startrekern wrote:1. SL -
2. Rifspec +
3. Rifleman +
4. Rifleman +
5. Medic -
6. SAW -


So here we have three people with Incendiaries and 3 without incendiaries, assuming a full six-man squad. Let's assume a four-man squad:

1. SL -
2. Rifspec +
3. Rifleman +
4. Medic -
In either of these squad scenarios, half of your squad have incendiaries. If you find a cache but don't have a thermite handy, you're doing something wrong. If you're SL and you spot a cache, simply mark it and it's a job for someone else to blow up.
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Dev1200
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Re: Return Incendiaries to SLs

Post by Dev1200 »

IIRC auto riflemen have incendiaries. To balance out SL's not getting them, specialists get 3 incendiaries. Therefor, in a 6 man squad:

SL-0
Medic-0
AR-1
Rifleman-1(2?)
Rifleman-1(2?)
Specialist-3

That's 6(8?) incendiaries. Much more then enough to wreak burning havoc on anything you see fit.

[EDIT]

Someone said riflemen have 2, and I think he's right. So values changed if that's true. I don't remember 100% however.
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