the new T90

[Hotrod525]

Just, WTF !? that thing blow up an Abrams with a single AT missile, its like WTF !!! That need to be change seriously, or add up armor to M1A2 to make it balanced. IRL Abrams can sustain alot of thing, and i'm pretty sure that a 1 foot thick armor in the front will sustain a ATBLM hit.

[Hunt3r]

If the ATGM is on the caliber of the Hellfire, it should, in theory, be a one hit killer.

[Rissien]

Given the name of the missle alone, Anti Tank Guided Missle. Its supposed to kill tanks easily. Even in BMP-3's I always keep the ATGM loaded for Bradelys and even Abrams, just hit with with the missle then pound it with AP rounds untill it goes down.

[Hunt3r]

H[=ElvishKnight;1306215']Given the name of the missle alone, Anti Tank Guided Missle. Its supposed to kill tanks easily. Even in BMP-3's I always keep the ATGM loaded for Bradelys and even Abrams, just hit with with the missle then pound it with AP rounds untill it goes down.

When going up against the Bradley you needn't bother with the ATGM on it, save your missiles for tanks and spray your AP autocannon. If every shot hits, you should only need to hold the trigger down for 2.5 seconds.

For long range I do recommend the ATGM though.

[Rissien]

I prefer the assured kill with a single shot

[dtacs]

2.5 seconds sounds a little bit too easy for the 30mm.

But I agree, its annoying how I can put 3 shots into a T90 point blank that sprung up out of nowhere and just get one shotted by its ATGM.

Doesn't matter though, VH's novelty has worn off. 5 minutes into the game and its boring as hell, even when you're alive.

[BadGuy]

T-90 only has AT missile in vehicular warfare but it is slower to rearm compared to it's cannon. No need to balance while the BUFOR have almost killing AT shells that work better at moving skirmishes.

[Rudd]

little bit of asymmetry never hurt anyone

e.g. teh C2 has smoke shells, I'll take them over AT missiles any day man!

balance could be acheived with giving the tank only 2 AT missiles, or ammo linking it with the SABOT rounds, the idea being that with limited ammo capacity, you chose either AT missiles or SABOT rounds, ammo limitations seems to be the only way to limit the T90 imo.

Though I don't mind the T90, I just wish tanks were a bit more resistant apart from on their vulnerable sections.

[DankE_SPB]

[quote=""'[R-CON"]Rudd;1329136']little bit of asymmetry never hurt anyone[/quote]
tru dat

Though I don't mind the T90, I just wish tanks were a bit more resistant apart from on their vulnerable sections.

and this too, without "bit" though

balance could be achieved with giving the tank only 2 AT missiles, or ammo linking it with the SABOT rounds, the idea being that with limited ammo capacity, you chose either AT missiles or SABOT rounds, ammo limitations seems to be the only way to limit the T90 imo.

ammo layout is chosen depending on mission and if there are tank threats i dont think anyone would lessen the amount of ATGMs and SABOTs
overall, T-90 has 42 or 43(can't exactly remember) ammo slots, with 8 ATGMs this leaves you with 34 other round types
so you're hardly limited in ammo capacity
choosing ammo layout before mission would be cool, but as thats impossible, therefore, current system is fine
[quote="BadGuy""]T-90 only has AT missile in vehicular warfare but it is slower to rearm compared to it's cannon.[/quote]
tbh i think you're wrong on both statements
1st i've used ATGMs on silent eagle
2nd there is no reason for longer reload time for ATGM

[RHYS4190]

All the Russian tanks are now completly over powered. I was on Dragon fly, I squad shot three AT rockets and 1 Hats at a T-62 and it did absoultly nothing did not even track it.

DEV's your really need to fix these tanks,!!!!

[kumade]

The main message of this thread looks like "ai-ai-ai, i must kill everything with my abrams, not this pesky russians, ne-ne-ne, they cant have better weapons, than us, blablalba, lets use equals assets everywhere, bububu etc"
If You cant kill t-90 in duel, use apc or second tank support, ask some hat to travel with you (use hmmw or give him a ride, if you are in bradley) etc. Different level of experience, tactic and teamwork.
I can say that chinook is overpowered as it carries 2 crates, bradley is overpowered because it shoots 2 atgms in short time etc etc, but i will not do this )

As for t-62, a agree. Something is wrong with its armor. On Kozelsk my squad-mate hits it 3 times with t-90 but t-62 killed t-90 and drives away.

[Dev1200]

Doesn't the T90 have a ATGM on the top of it IRL? If so, maybe limit it to just 1? Or am I retarded o_O

[WilsonPL]

9M119 Svir - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The 9M119 Svir and 9M119M Refleks are laser beam riding, guided anti-tank missiles developed in the former Soviet Union. The two missiles are similar, but vary in range and launch platform. Both are designed to be fired from smooth bore 125 mm tank

[DankE_SPB]

Doesn't the T90 have a ATGM on the top of it IRL? If so, maybe limit it to just 1? Or am I retarded o_O

you're retarded
9M119 is barrel launched ATGM, stored inside in the same way as other munitions

[KingKong.CCCP]

YouTube - T-80 U / T-72 / T-84 Demonstration

you can see T-80 firing while on the move, and after that firing the Refleks missile (from the main gun, not the best angle )

[Nebsif]

And its already "balanced" a bit, T90 has auto reloader which can reload just as fast as other tanks, but for the sake of balance it takes 2 secs longer to load AP on T90 than abrams, and it takes 12 secs to load ATGM.

[ytman]

I only disagree with the weakness of tank armor in general. Other than that I feel that the ATGM T90 is a perfect amount of Asymmetry. Besides the Russian Federation only get a non-guided H-AT! So it sounds like a good trade off.

Either way you just have to alter your play style to account for the 'advantage' of the T-90. If they can't see you then they can't guide it to you. It also takes 1-2 seconds for the missile to hit and a while to reload.

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Can the Abrams also get a smoke round ^_^ please?

[xI DIaboLoS Ix]

In a different matter to the ATGM. Ive found that the T-90 can sustain a considerable amount of AP rounds from the m1a2, while only a few rounds are needed to Destroy the m1a2 from the T-90. Is that what would happen in RL?

[Kim Jong ill]

In a different matter to the ATGM. Ive found that the T-90 can sustain a considerable amount of AP rounds from the m1a2, while only a few rounds are needed to Destroy the m1a2 from the T-90. Is that what would happen in RL?

It's hard to tell as there are no accounts of the two tanks facing off in combat. However from information I can gather about friendly fire incidents, three 120mm APFSDS rounds seems to be the most common count for causing catastrophic damage to the Abrams.

[***LeGeNDK1LLER***]

The main message of this thread looks like "ai-ai-ai, i must kill everything with my abrams, not this pesky russians, ne-ne-ne, they cant have better weapons, than us, blablalba, lets use equals assets everywhere, bububu etc"
If You cant kill t-90 in duel, use apc or second tank support, ask some hat to travel with you (use hmmw or give him a ride, if you are in bradley) etc. Different level of experience, tactic and teamwork.
I can say that chinook is overpowered as it carries 2 crates, bradley is overpowered because it shoots 2 atgms in short time etc etc, but i will not do this )

As for t-62, a agree. Something is wrong with its armor. On Kozelsk my squad-mate hits it 3 times with t-90 but t-62 killed t-90 and drives away.

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is the same old history.there are a lot of self-made wannabe expert brainwashed pro-western
side which they think basically that everything is made by americans is more effective than russian stuffs.how they know that?well probably because they have seen some facious documentaries on history channel or something like that....

they dont even know,for example,that mig-29 was considerated superior to the f-16 or the t-90 basically is considerated much better of the abrams(no so difficoult cuz the t-90 is a newer project..)or the bmp3 is more powerfull comparated with the bradley.

bah...

p.s.
basically,from what we can know by the official sources(but not history **** channel),an ATGM is an heavy missile
that can be comparated at the hellfire.so these kind of missiles are able to kill 1 tank or at least to fully disable it with 1 singol shoot.
you want realism on pr?well be happy cuz you got it.but dont be mad if our western tanks has not the fully capabilites of the newer russian tanks.not at the moment.