My Rifle is for kiling

[HAAN4]

The point of this topic is siple, all DEV respect re power of a assault rifle. or otherwise the only men how is going to kill is the AR.

Many may suport whatever the side of this endless discusion. and has well are free to it.

but balace is requiered. what can i Say Gameplay > Reality is something sometimes needed.

but i belive that assault rifles are very acuracy and strong enough to kill a man in one shoot. I kwon that you DEVs are working hard to make a good balace to both weopows. but it's time to make it oficial. THAT MY RIFLE IS FOR KILING. AND YOURS?

I i'd like to make some vote pool, but i haven't do it because i simple don't kwon how do. can someone kidle teach me how to do so?

Best respect and best intentions whicht the comunity HAAN4.

sorry by my inglish.

[rampo]

I think all rifles exept the SVD have just the right ammount of damage inflicted when shot

[Rudd]

I think some people think their guns aren't powerful enough since enemies don't suddenly die like in the movies, but on their end of the gameplay their screen is covered with red etc, and death is near unless a medic is close.

I'm actually not opposed to bullets causing more damage accross the board, to make gameplay less forgiving and possibly more realistic, but I'm happy as it is on realism and gameplay fronts.

[iwillkillyouhun]

I think all rifles exept the SVD have just the right ammount of damage inflicted when shot

yeah i agree the SVD's fire power is huge alosmt like a ".50 ca"

[HAAN4]

The problem is't whicht the 5.56 Nato Rifles. but a AK47 and G3 and soon FAL in brasilian forçes is use the might (at last in my opnion) 7.62 rounds. that are far superior in damage that 5.56. of course they Punch are stronguer. and are acuracy in Single shoot.

I cannot say that a AK47 damage is't wrong, but a FAL imo is a real punch. A friend mine have shoot some bandits trying to stolen Military guns in arsenal and the shoot in LEG just cripled and take off the boby. also the other leg has also sufered considered damage and the criminal today don't use the other leg even it's still in the boby.

7.62 may be not the chose of the OTAN, but thack god it's the chose of brasilian forçes. But will also have some
M16 in service, and trust my FAL is far superior to a M16.

Also. the topic is also refering to Acuracy, close quarters and balace of Riflemen kits comparing to AR kits. that is the true matter of the topic. but i give my experience of damage of rifles.

but feel free to talk anything you what.

sorry by my inglish

[Rudd]

The problem is't whicht the 5.56 Nato Rifles. but a AK47 and G3 and soon FAL in brasilian forçes is use the might (at last in my opnion) 7.62 rounds. that are far superior in damage that 5.56. of course they Punch are stronguer. and are acuracy in Single shoot.

strangely enough I seem to find the AK47 and other 7.62 are more powerful ingame and are also more accurate than 5.56 except for larger recoil....are you sure this isn't national pride clouding your judgement?

[HAAN4]

strangely enough I seem to find the AK47 and other 7.62 are more powerful ingame and are also more accurate than 5.56 except for larger recoil....are you sure this isn't national pride clouding your judgement?

Not sure at all. hehehehehe

but yes in game we have a litle 7.62 superiority in Long range combat. that's right.

and I prefer 7.62 Assault rifles, i love AK47, i love G3 and I going to love FAL soon.

Indeed 7.62 have larger recoil simple because the larger amoung of both Steel and gunpoder.

[iwillkillyouhun]

Indeed 7.62 have larger recoil simple because the larger amoung of both Steel and gunpoder.

okay so... i learned something new

[Tim270]

So, what are you actually suggesting?

[rampo]

yeah i agree the SVD's fire power is huge alosmt like a ".50 ca"

sorry for not being clear but i think its too uneffective, i kill people whit ironsighted G3 alot easier..

[Teek]

First off, I applaud you for your improvment with english

in the first post you say that Assualt rifles need more power to compete with a machine gun, for gameplay reasons, but in your second post you just want 7.62 rifles boosted for realism reasons? Those two seem conflicting

p.s. About the SAWs, they only advantage they have is less recoil, otherwise they do the same damage and worse deviation settle times.

[HAAN4]

So, what are you actually suggesting?

Good point (well obvius one)

Has i told some times in the topic, is that DEV for now must always keep a eye in the balace betwhen Assault Rifles and Automatic Rifles.

And of course that one way of doing so, is increse the Acuracy in long range combat has well the damage, since the only way to a Rifleman kill a AR is whicht a well placed shoot. but the weopows don't help to do so at all.

that is why the sugestion come to cause a bit of confusion.

[goguapsy]

I'm sure this isn't national pride HAAN4 has. Brazil don't get into wars like the US, so we can't say our guns are better than yours.

Honestly, I love the M4 and I will always love it. No, I don't want any modern-looking star-wars laser-shooting handheld super .50cal cannon. Just my beloved M4.



ON THREAD... I thought that G3s (for example) ARE already more powerful than 5.56s?

And I I could make a suggestion, please make so that a burst from a M4 or M16 kills an insurgent - because the burst that comes out of a M4 or M16 rifle are too weak I believe, insurgents have advantage in some CQB situations in my experience.

Also, fix the deviation for the IDF M4. It's CRAZY! I fully-auto'ed a guy behind cover (he was on top of a hill in Asad Khal and I was below, uncovered) while he was waiting to settle down - some 5 bullets went into his head INSTANTLY! And I didn't wait any longer than a second to open fire...


P.S. I remember your posts when you first joined the forums, HAAN4. I kudo you (like Teek also congratulated you) for your huge improvement in English. Keep on working on it!

[Tannhauser]

Concerning the fact soldiers don't die from a single shot...

Body armor?
I don't know much about body armors, but shouldn't it be the main reason conventional soldiers don't die on a single shot in the chest area? Aren't they designed to save a soldier from calibers like the infamous 7.62 and 5.56?

And if you meant the head.. headshots kill with a single hit.
At least from what I've observed.

[HAAN4]

First off, I applaud you for your improvment with english

in the first post you say that Assualt rifles need more power to compete with a machine gun, for gameplay reasons, but in your second post you just want 7.62 rifles boosted for realism reasons? Those two seem conflicting

p.s. About the SAWs, they only advantage they have is less recoil, otherwise they do the same damage and worse deviation settle times.

No 7.62 are better that 5.56 in my opnion. i just told a history of a crimnial losing both legs by 7.62 FAL shoot.

but my point go only in favour of gameplay. we can give more acuracy to Riflemans has well we can please. since some of acuracy is because how good the character is good whicht a gun. of course we cannot give a insane amoung of acuracy because very fell guys are bad *** whicht assault rifles. has well whicht any other gun.

the 7.62 point is that normaly factions that carry those weopows have inferior LMG so give their rifles a good capability of kiling LMG is one way to make balacement betwhen both factions. is just a sugestion.

But has we see people prefer 5.56 for Auto fire, and 7.62 for one shoot one kill. but this is a matter people of course.

or we can also do is to add a maskman kit to spawn to pleases both Sniper lovers and AR haters.

[Thermis]

Okay, I've actually shot every single weapon system discussed in this thread so far.

The FAL and G3 both fire a 7.62x51 round, same as the M1A and M14. This round has lots of stopping power and reach out and drop enemy soldiers. The FAL and G3 are big rifles like the M14 and are harder to manipulate in combat than a M4. The FAL and G3 have a lot more recoil than a M4, fully automatic and even burst fire is almost impossible with these weapons in anything more than a suppression capacity. I think this is already well represented in the G3 in game.

Now the AK47 fires a 7.62x39 round, this also has a good deal of stopping power. However range is sacrificed compared to the M4s 5.56. And the state of maintenance that most AK47 are in is just enough to maintain function. A well cared for AK47 can be just as accurate as a M4 in a urban setting but most are not cared for well enough. Due to inability by their owners or that they don't care.

Lastly the M4 is compact and well suited for urban combat that is common anymore these days. The 5.56 round was never designed to drop its intended target, it was conceived as a wounding round. That would cause shock and bleeding but not kill. This meant the enemy would have to spare men to drag the wounded out of the fight, giving you the advantage. Silly logic in my mind but thats the logic none the less. A M4 fires such a small round and the recoil is so non-existent that I can fire more accurate shots in a time frame than I could with a FAL or G3.

This all has to come into play when deciding how much damage X weapon does. Recoil,Damage,Gameplay. Trying to keep it balanced and as close to real as possible.

[Web_cole]

p.s. About the SAWs, the only advantage they have is less recoil

*cough* Rate of fire? *cough*



Anyway, OT, as far as I'm aware most weapons in game are fairly representative of their RL counterparts, if realism is what your arguing.

And if not, well, gameplay wise I'd say they are probably about right as well

[Gore]

I'm having no problems going down on singleshots. It get so disgusting at times I see any enemy way out, instaproning, singleshoots me. That's online fps 101 right there.

[Conman51]

This all has to come into play when deciding how much damage X weapon does. Recoil,Damage,Gameplay. Trying to keep it balanced and as close to real as possible.

I think thats the problem, the 7.62 weapons are not too different from 5.56 except for bad recoil. They both kill on the 3rd hit from my experience, i think it would be more balanced to make up for the recoil by firstly, making 5.56 weapons SLIGHTLY more powerful, and 7.62 kill on the 2nd shot.

but i suggest more power to all weapons simply to mkae people more afraid to pop thier heads out. the thing i hate the most is when a SAW stays crouched behind cover, aims down his sights for a few seconds, and pops out and sprays you perfectly with 10 rounds, in my mind at least, i think more powerful weapons can help prevent this

[pl0x102]

The guns used by NATO forces (UK,US...etc) in PR are correct with the bullets. They all fire 5.56mm standard NATO rounds if im right? And also if this is correct then the 5.56NATO round is designed to maime, not kill... so dont expect it to kill first time.