Cave Caches; how do you deal with them?

[ytman]

We all know about them, we have defended them and attacked them. They are a godsend for some and a seemingly insurmountable objective for others.

So what tactics do you use to defend and attack them?

[stealth420]

To atack them i would use Air support. But for most maps with cave system caches there is no CAS available.

With the new patch you can mortar them to shit, but what it all comes down to is face to face combat.

[charliegrs]

Having a good squad is important, like with everything else you do in pr. Using real life tactics works pretty well in caves, like throwing grenades ahead of you and having a red dot or iron sighted infrantyman on point.

[Ford_Jam]

Smoke, Grenades, Iron sights + Automatic weapons/Shotguns
Maybe a little C4

[Total_Overkill]

there ARE some impossible cave cache locations

Best thing to do is focus ALL your efforts on the OTHER cache location

YouTube - Ralfi's Alley- Taliban Cave Rave
Cave Rave is a good example of an impossible assault location. (i majorly fail at embeds, so i wont even try.

[LithiumFox]

I randomly destroyed one by throwing 4 grenades trying to get them to stop shooting at my squad. My squad was just like "Lithium! Come on we gotta work our way around" and i'm like "Noooo there is no way arou... Hey.... Explosion...... ...... .... Sweet i killed a cache! "

"well that was random"

[Hunt3r]

I love the smell of JDAMs in the morning.

[Target_Practice_117]

there ARE some impossible cave cache locations

Best thing to do is focus ALL your efforts on the OTHER cache location

YouTube - Ralfi's Alley- Taliban Cave Rave
Cave Rave is a good example of an impossible assault location. (i majorly fail at embeds, so i wont even try.

Had this same issue last night on west fallugia. but instead of a cave it was the basement under the destroyed hotel in the south of the map.

I lead my whole squad in the east entrace a number of times... only to meet nades and to be blocked by a grenade trap to enter the main room.

I was inclined to have one man rush the trap and blow it so we could all rush the room then rev him. (a whole sqd going prone under the trap wasn't an option.) but i didn't use this tactic. and i was fast running out of plans...

I'm keen to hear what you guys do in caves / dead ends

[ytman]

Today on Lashkar we fought over an unrevealed cache in the caves on the North East. More than three squads were focusing on it and I doubt more than two squads were defending. It was a battle of attrition. Find AP mines/IEDs? Tell on man to run in and hope they det it, we'd follow after and so on and so forth until most of us died and only one of them was left.

After the third wave of three squads we hit them and killed it (after failing misirably at killing it via C4 from the top).

It was no victory however, over 100 deaths occurred and we were down to 100 tickets. Mind you we started the round with 650!

Some realistic solution would have been welcomed but as none exists I think you must anticipate not going after that cache. Or pre-empting all caves with a squad of three patroling it when ever a cache is destroyed.

[CommunistComma]

How do I deal with them?
Poorly.

Beyond that shotty FTW

[Bringerof_D]

you either get in real quiet and take it out in one go or alternatively storm it from every possible entrance.

If you can be really stealthy and calm, that would be the best option. BUT you are screwed if you are seen. because for this to work you cannot shoot anyone or use any grenades, nothing that makes any sound (so dont fall down either. the only thing that should make any sound while you're in there is the exploding cache. I did it once and once only. if the cache is well defended it will be tough, however it is the least costly method and has a slightly higher chance of success than any other form of assault feasible within a game. Remember that you dont need to get right up to it or even see it, you just need to be able to land an incendiary within a meter or 2 of it

[sweedensniiperr]

-clearing the surroundins first is a good idea..
-good cqb
-going from top to bottom

[dtacs]

We tried taking the cache under hospital but its absolutly futile once there are more than 4 insurgents under there. Often they can just constantly spam nades out the door on a rotating shift, similar to how people used to do it with molotovs when blocking the door to the cache room.



We pulled out after about 4 minutes of smoke, grenades and SAW spam as it was just useless even trying. Cave caches (especially the ones where the only way in is going up with a grapple) are just stupid as there is no real tactics or strategy in taking them down or defending. The Insurgents/Taliban can just spam endless grenades off of it keeping the BLUFOR at bay.

[Tim270]

First and most important thing to do is kill their supply/reinforcement route. Search around the cave for hideouts before entering. Enter though multiple entrance. Throw nades around corners even if you cannot see someone to make people camping bleed.

Even if you do manage to 'stave them out' they are pretty hard to get, it is worth searching for the other cache if you know one of them is in the cave - this makes the defenders (at least some of them) bored and walk out to the battle. Then you can move in.

[BloodBane611]

2 things are important:

1) Block reinforcements - they get more guys in, your job will be impossible
2) Explosives. If this fails, use more explosives. If that fails, more explosives

In CQB in PR, unless you're quite good and your enemy is not, you won't be able to kill more than 1 enemy who is prepared for you. However, grenades are very hard to dodge, much more effective than a shotgun or file

[Haji with a Handgun]

Irons/reflex scopes, and LOADS of explosives.

I would also say shotgun, but it seems to be pretty much useless against someone spraying a PPsH or an AK 74u.

[Trooper909]

Lots and lots of smoke the enemy cant defend an entrance if thay cant see there hand infront of there face.

Id say flashbangs but wrong version

[Tarranauha200]

1.How to deal whit them? Trow grenades in and rush so many peoples in they dont have enoug time to kill everyone. (You will likely lose...)
2.Or you can send in skilled squad whit experience in CQB.
3.So much exblosions bf2.exe says memory error.

[LudacrisKill]

Some caches ARE impossible...very sad. Every cache cave needs 2 entrances and at least one without needing a ladder/rope.

Then again there are caches that spawn 50m away from the blufor main. (I really mean 50m) These caches should just be removed so that ins is less about luck on cache locations...

[Arnoldio]

Very complicated, might work.

Cut them off via destroying hideouts in area.

Get your team in and cave in all enterances but one, (requres 2 engies). Keep the opened enterance guarded with 3 men, rest moves in slowly and tries to get cache.

Its kinda risky, but might work.