Road-killing - Your Opinion

[ZephyrDark]

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Hey there everybody.

Recently in-game I have seen a large amount of roadkilling, despite some servers' rules against doing so.

My question and complete point of this topic is to ask the community your opinion on it.

I'll say mine first:

I personally, HATE road-killing. It is not realistic at all due to the way BF2 can not represent vehicle damage properly. That and soldiers are not trained to drive their HMMWV, Tank, IFV, APC, etc. into other combatants.
Now the kind of road-killing I am talking about is when a player in a vehicle sees a few people on the side of the road or on the opposite side of an intersection against a building and just either swerve to run them down or ram them into the wall of said structure.
I understand that people get the idea that its "hilarious" and that you can just "shoot the driver out" (which is honestly nigh impossible unless you're prepared and already sighted in on the driver as if you're expecting them.), but can't we just swallow our pride and have some restraint and just keep on driving. Now, if the people are running down the middle of the road like idiots, then heck, blare your horn and maybe try to swerve around them as much as you can taking your own safety in consideration.

I also know some people think that insurgents should be able to RK, but I still find that sort of behavior unrealistic. I mean, if you're driving a technical or civi-car in-game and it was accurately portrayed like in real life, wouldn't hitting 1-6 160-220lb solid objects at about 30-50mph demolish your car? In-game when you hit other players no damage is done to your vehicle, and I don't think a run-down truck like the techies used in game could withstand that kind of abuse.

So.... what is your opinon?


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[Silly_Savage]

Nothing makes me rage more than being ran over by some idiot who can't shoot for shit.

[The Iron Dreamer]

Well on UKWF runing ppl over is kickable only if you drive with the purpose of dirving ppl over, aka drivind a truck on muttrah seeing a player on the sidewalk and aiming strat for him... Now thats kickable...

But if a player is in the midle in road and you''re haulin a** with a logi... well thats though luck....

Well if you''re a soldier in RL driving a 5 ton vehicle.... HELL BENT FOR LEATHER ( yeah tha Judas Priest sond ) I dont see why would you stop infron of an nme, get out and shoot him instead of just runing him over...


Just to sum things up running ppl over with the goal of running ppl over is bad... Running ppl over cos they are in your path... acceptable....

Oh... BTW... Ins can road kill at UKWF...

[ZephyrDark]

I stated in my post that people running down the middle of a road thinking they're invulnerable to vehicles deserve to get splattered.
Its the times when a vehicle is driving on the right-hand side of the road swerves and completely goes out of the way to run down those few infantrymen on the left-hand side of the road, just to kill them. It really isn't that hard just to keep on driving and then report said infantry to your team so that your team can expect/intercept them.

Also, on TG it is against the rules to go out of the way to run people down as well. Yet, of course hardly any pubbers read the rules or have the restraint. (By pubbers I mean the people you never see on servers).

[The Iron Dreamer]

I stated in my post that people running down the middle of a road thinking they're invulnerable to vehicles deserve to get splattered.
Its the times when a vehicle is driving on the right-hand side of the road swerves and completely goes out of the way to run down those few infantrymen on the left-hand side of the road, just to kill them. It really isn't that hard just to keep on driving and then report said infantry to your team so that your team can expect/intercept them.

Well think it this way... A jeep 4x4 vehicle that has a high suspensstion and a front rib cage (big front bump) wont trough a person up in the air (in to the windshield) but will RUN THEM OVER... So if you're actually crazy and whant to kill your nme by all means then you will run them over...

But yeah I agree... For gameplay's sake runing ppl over is not a good thing...

[Total_Overkill]

Hey there everybody.
Now the kind of road-killing I am talking about is when a player in a vehicle sees a few people on the side of the road or on the opposite side of an intersection against a building and just either swerve to run them down or ram them into the wall of said structure.
I understand that people get the idea that its "hilarious" and that you can just "shoot the driver out" (which is honestly nigh impossible unless you're prepared and already sighted in on the driver as if you're expecting them.), but can't we just swallow our pride and have some restraint and just keep on driving.

Chance are, one of these people have an IED set up on the road and waiting...

Now, if the people are running down the middle of the road like idiots, then heck, blare your horn and maybe try to swerve around them as much as you can taking your own safety in consideration.

Great way to lose your life and your vehicle, while alerting EVERYONE in the area to your presence.

I also know some people think that insurgents should be able to RK, but I still find that sort of behavior unrealistic. I mean, if you're driving a technical or civi-car in-game and it was accurately portrayed like in real life, wouldn't hitting 1-6 160-220lb solid objects at about 30-50mph demolish your car? In-game when you hit other players no damage is done to your vehicle, and I don't think a run-down truck like the techies used in game could withstand that kind of abuse.

Depends on the make and model of vehicle, modern cars are meant to take damage, crumple and all round fall to fucking pieces as a "safety feature" to prevent killing or destroying whatever you hit.
The vehicles INS factions have in game are pure metal, the worst damage they would receive... a broken windshield (which they dont have anyways) and some minor dents.

I would also "ROFLMAO" if a humvee took any real damage from splattering some poor shmucks body all over the road.




You may not like roadkills, but MY LIFE, MY SQUADS LIFE, AND OUR TOYS... comes before your enjoyment, and your very existence threatens that... so...

[Tim270]

It is annoying and terribly unrealistic. Would be nice if someone could look into the players material causing damage to light vehicles on contact.

As no real damage model is used on vehicles it is kinda of ridiculous when you just have someone driving around impervious to small arms running people over.

[JackAttack91]

You shouldn't have to apologize for running the enemy over. Unless you're in an open field, it's easy to get out of the way of a vehicle...

If your whole squad gets ran over by one guy in a humvee, there was obviously something inherently wrong in what your squad was doing.

[Puslox]

Reminds me, is roadkilling HELICOPTERS allowed? We were waiting on a extraction, and when the helicopter landed, some noob with a logi truck on the german team ran into the chopper, the truck exploded, and the chopper exploded shortly after.

Roadkilling = realistic, but never happens, because even little kids look if there is a car coming from any direction before crossing the road. So I think it's pretty much up to the soldiers themselfs to see the vehicle before it sees them. Roadkilling should be allowed.

[ZephyrDark]

I would also "ROFLMAO" if a humvee took any real damage from splattering some poor shmucks body all over the road.

Avg Weight of geared soldier: 200lbs lets say.
Speed of vehicle: 50mph
Approx time to transfer the energy: Approx 0.25 seconds
Impluse = mass(in Kg) * delta(velocity) (in m/s)
force = Impulse(kg*m/s) / delta(time) (seconds)

You can do all the math on your own but all that ends up to be about 2000 lbs of force. I'd like to see a HMMWV take that and keep on driving without any damage. Not to mention if they hit multiple people.

Reminds me, is roadkilling HELICOPTERS allowed? We were waiting on a extraction, and when the helicopter landed, some noob with a logi truck on the german team ran into the chopper, the truck exploded, and the chopper exploded shortly after.

Roadkilling = realistic, but never happens, because even little kids look if there is a car coming from any direction before crossing the road. So I think it's pretty much up to the soldiers themselfs to see the vehicle before it sees them. Roadkilling should be allowed.

You shouldn't have to apologize for running the enemy over. Unless you're in an open field, it's easy to get out of the way of a vehicle...

If your whole squad gets ran over by one guy in a humvee, there was obviously something inherently wrong in what your squad was doing.

Again, I stated that if people are in the middle of the road and act like they are invulnerable, they deserve to be hit. But if somebody goes OUT OF THE WAY to hit them, that is what I dislike.

[Total_Overkill]

You can do all the math on your own but all that ends up to be about 2000 lbs of force. I'd like to see a HMMWV take that and keep on driving without any damage.

Considering the HMMWV is a combat worthy vehicle, large reinforced steel structure, damn good push bumper... if it receives more that a broken headlight, id be impressed

Not like those canadian jalopy's we had to use

[The Iron Dreamer]

Considering the HMMWV is a combat worthy vehicle, large reinforced steel structure, damn good push bumper... if it receives more that a broken headlight, id be impressed

Not like those canadian jalopy's we had to use

this...

I dont think MAs need to respond to this... Its common sence... Mil Veh vs. human... Mil Veh wins all the time... its like hitting a melon with a 20 kilo hammer... Not a prity site...


But Like I said... Gameplay wise RKs are a bad thing ( with light vehs only)...

[ZephyrDark]

My only argument with the fact that yes a Mil vehicle could keep going with some pretty rough blows to it, but you're still going to feel it, its gonna do something to the vehicle, or even at least slow it down. But considering the amount of force to a vehicle at full speed, no doubt an insurgent vehicle would be dealt quite a bit of damage.

Anyways, the point of this thread is that swerving to road-kill someone for the sake of road-killing them is not good for gameplay. It pisses people off and it takes away from the fun of the game.

[Shovel]

While I agree that the vehicle should take damage, this does not seem possible in BF2, but there is no real way of stopping roadkilling without making people invincible to roadkilling.

[Myru]

the problem I have with roadkilling is, that you can't defend yourself against it. I just had an epic round of Basrah, where the british team had 2 squads 50m away from the last cache, while just having ~30 tickets left, when suddenly 2 technicals show up, roadkilling 10 ppl and making the GB Team loose because they were unable to take the cache down. And it's not like those ppl didn't try to shoot the technical's drivers, but due to the bizarre acceleration and offroad-capabilities of the technicals mixed with BF2's wonderful hit detection on fast moving objects it's next to impossible to kill them even with a total of 6 guns hitting the vehicle.

If the vehicles would have more realistic values, i wouldn't be so upset about roadkilling, because it wouldn't work than, but atm the unrealistic behaviour of the technicals kinda kill the atmosphere and gameplay.

[Airsoft]

perfectly legitimate way to kill an enemy IMO. There are also ways to avoid being roadkilled by moving at the last second of course. This takes a lot of experience and good situational awareness. But when i am in a vehicle driving without gun attachment, i'd rather do a roadkill and score a kill than get out and risk being killed.

[AnimalMother.]

hate roadkilling

only time i'd find it acceptable is if the driver is driving straight adn the guy runs infront. Any other circumstance is just pathetic

[Adriaan]

hate roadkilling

only time i'd find it acceptable is if the driver is driving straight adn the guy runs infront. Any other circumstance is just pathetic

This. Roadkilling is bad, mkay?

[seph567]

Many people around the world have tried to use their cars as a weapon and have steered into groups of people. happens all the time, so why should it be not realistic? I agree that most of em are not able to drive away after such a crash immediately BUT PR is and will always be an "unrealistic" game. and even here it is possible to escape from vehicles because of their large turning radius. as mentioned above you can jump to the left or the right half a sec before the car hits you. so the driver has no chance to get you even if he steers into the same direction. only "fix" without nerfing the whole vehicle would be to slow em down if they run into somebody. so they would be an easier target for a sec.
besides all this I have never been roadkilled more than once every 10 rounds maybe. even less


btw. go behind trees/obstacles etc? no cover = squishi

[Harbard]

Roadkilling sucks!