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[Faction proposal] Afghan National Army
Posted: 2011-05-10 18:22
by Indiegirl
Since ISAF forces have given more responsibility to ANA, it would be great to have this faction in PR too.
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I'm here to ask if here is anyone skilled modder interested in getting this faction in PR. I myself don't have skills to mod, I'm just practicing making maps. Of course, I'm always ready to learn something new.
What is needed:
-Person(s) able to create player models
-Mapper(s)
Weapons and vehicles can mostly be found from the mod already and arabic voice commands as well. Still, reskins and some tweaking is needed so weapon and vehicle modellers are welcome.
ANA forces could fight at least against Taliban.
Be gentle
Re: [Faction proposal] Afghan National Army
Posted: 2011-05-10 18:29
by Zimmer
TBh the people with the skills and time to do it is pretty much stretched thin in this community so to make it you would need to find outside modders and I would assume you would need someone with organisation skills and possibly a guy with contacts so that you can get outside modders.
Re: [Faction proposal] Afghan National Army
Posted: 2011-05-10 19:13
by Senshi
I think you misunderstood the concept of a "faction proposal". A faction proposal is not a "Hey, I'd like to see army XYZ in game, please mod it!", a faction proposal is a "Hey, I think army XYZ should be ingame, so I modeled and textured the dozens of weapons, soldiers and vehicles that it uses and maybe some devs could take a look at how we could implement it in PR."
Frankly, this thread fits the former definition better.
Creating a faction is a huge pile of work, so there is a lot of initiative required if you want to pull sth. like this off. Just take a look at the monstrous discussions that accompanied other recently added factions (check their forum threads), and that is only the tip of the iceberg, as most of the actual refining work and talking is done backstage.
Re: [Faction proposal] Afghan National Army
Posted: 2011-05-10 19:25
by simeon5541
Indiegirl wrote:ANA forces could fight at least against Taliban.
Be gentle
They are maybe part of MEC,not maybe,probably !!
But I have also thought that would be good to see MEC fighting Talibans,
because in reality Afganistan and Pakistan are fighting against Talibans.
Re: [Faction proposal] Afghan National Army
Posted: 2011-05-10 21:17
by Indiegirl
simeon5541 wrote:They are maybe part of MEC,not maybe,probably !!
But I have also thought that would be good to see MEC fighting Talibans,
because in reality Afganistan and Pakistan are fighting against Talibans.
I think MEC is made mostly keeping eye on Iran, Syria, Saudi-Arabia, Oman, Egypt and Yemen. At least in PR.
@Senshi, yeah, sorry. I just didn't invent anything better so I used that. And I know how huge amount of work is needed to make a faction. I was a bit tired when I wrote that text so my English is horrible, might give wrong image about me.
Re: [Faction proposal] Afghan National Army
Posted: 2011-05-10 22:17
by Snazz
Indiegirl wrote:might give wrong image about me.
Are you a blond woman in the Finnish military?
I'm a Chinook, I have a tandem rotor configuration and bench over 28,000 pounds.

Re: [Faction proposal] Afghan National Army
Posted: 2011-05-10 23:05
by Shovel
This faction could be a clone of the US, all we would need to do is change skins, replace the M4 with an AK47 here, and change the flags on M1 Abrams and such.
I would be willing to help with a few things, like research, vehicle skinning, and some code.
EDIT: I did some research. They basically use US weapons, so all we we would need to do is clone the US Faction, and retexture vehicles. ALL of the ANA vehicles are in the mod, so thats easy.
Re: [Faction proposal] Afghan National Army
Posted: 2011-05-11 00:13
by rushn
Shovel wrote:This faction could be a clone of the US, all we would need to do is change skins, replace the M4 with an AK47 here, and change the flags on M1 Abrams and such.
I would be willing to help with a few things, like research, vehicle skinning, and some code.
EDIT: I did some research. They basically use US weapons, so all we we would need to do is clone the US Faction, and retexture vehicles. ALL of the ANA vehicles are in the mod, so thats easy.
from what I know they do not use M1 abrams tanks
and helicopters they use are diffrent
like mi-8 and mi-24
they are starting to use humvves
Re: [Faction proposal] Afghan National Army
Posted: 2011-05-11 00:41
by Shovel
Yeah, I did some more research, They basically use all MEC vehicles, with the exception of the Humvee.
Re: [Faction proposal] Afghan National Army
Posted: 2011-05-11 01:05
by sylent/shooter
for the 600000000000 TIME!, join a currently ongoing faction project instead of suggesting factions that will never happen in the near future. there are many community projects that need help and everyone is stretched thin. so for the love of god, PLEASE STOP SUGGESTING FACTIONS!!!
nothing against you indiegirl, but I'm really sick of these proposals popping up. :S
Re: [Faction proposal] Afghan National Army
Posted: 2011-05-11 01:38
by Shovel
But the difference with this proposal is that it requires significantly less work than some of the current ones.
All of the vehicles are ingame.
All of the weapons are ingame.
Voices are ingame.
Vehicle skinning will need to be done.
Player skins will need to be done.
Maps will need to be done.
-I am working on an Afghanistan map, it could be used with this faction.
I would be willing to put work into this faction. The only thing that I do not know how to do is player skinning, but I'm sure there is someone out there.
Re: [Faction proposal] Afghan National Army
Posted: 2011-05-11 11:39
by Wakain
and arabic voice commands as well
afghanistan has quite a lot of languages, none of which is arabic (it's also not part of the arabic world), if you want to make new voices: pashtu(n) is the dominant language.
Re: [Faction proposal] Afghan National Army
Posted: 2011-05-12 02:42
by Shovel
Wakain wrote:afghanistan has quite a lot of languages, none of which is arabic (it's also not part of the arabic world), if you want to make new voices: pashtu(n) is the dominant language.
Don't the Taliban speak arabic in game? I don't think they speak that in real life. If we could get someone who speaks Pashto, it could be a big contribution to the mod.
Also, can group of people just start a community faction, or do they need a developer?
Re: [Faction proposal] Afghan National Army
Posted: 2011-05-12 03:48
by ShockUnitBlack
First, a hypothetical ANA really wouldn't bring any unique weapons or vehicles to the table (something I think all Project Reality's faction's should do) and thus would be a mere rehash of existing content - in other words, it would be a boring, generic faction. Second, we have enough community factions already, most of which aren't likely to be finished anytime in the foreseeable future. We really don't need another.
Re: [Faction proposal] Afghan National Army
Posted: 2011-05-12 12:18
by Wakain
Shovel wrote:Don't the Taliban speak arabic in game? I don't think they speak that in real life. If we could get someone who speaks Pashto, it could be a big contribution to the mod.
Also, can group of people just start a community faction, or do they need a developer?
the use of arabic, though you've got a point that it's not entirely accurate, is defendable because a part of their their warriors (and warriors they are) come from all around the islamic world. pashtu(pashto in english?) would be the better choice though.
the arabic used ingame is actually not spoken by anyone irl, it's Modern Standard Arabic(MSA) which is only used for writing. educated people mix their local arabic dialect with MSA a little but that's far from "pure MSA". having soldiers speak to eachother in true MSA is just ridiculous irl but a very understandable choice for games.
Re: [Faction proposal] Afghan National Army
Posted: 2011-05-12 12:26
by Hulabi
ShockUnitBlack wrote:First, a hypothetical ANA really wouldn't bring any unique weapons or vehicles to the table (something I think all Project Reality's faction's should do) and thus would be a mere rehash of existing content-snip-
What about Canadian forces faction then?

Re: [Faction proposal] Afghan National Army
Posted: 2011-05-12 14:05
by Wakain
NautaFIN wrote:What about Canadian forces faction then?
the diemaco series don't look or behave like m16's you infidel!

(yes dutchfor uses 'em too

)
First, a hypothetical ANA really wouldn't bring any unique weapons or vehicles to the table (something I think all Project Reality's faction's should do) and thus would be a mere rehash of existing content-snip-
I have to disagree to this, sure in terms of assets, no it isn't entirely new, you'll be having more ak's, rpg's and possibly in the future some ill-maintained m16's, backed up largely by technicals.
the good thing about having ANA comes with the gameplay:
the ANA is ill-equiped and unless supported by american(or other ISAF) armor or air assets potentially identical to their foes. this means AAS with 2 underequiped factions, e.g. in terms of heavy assets, effective range (almost ironsights only!) and perhaps also the medical situation. I find this alot more interesting than the alternative: MEC vs. insurgents (though I'd like to see that as well

) Though I guess insurgency will be impossible with an ANA faction, due to too heavy casualties for the blufor, AAS might become even more intense.
but we might want to see how that other old-fashioned and slightly under-equipped conventional faction will work out: the union africaine which the ARF comfac makes.

Re: [Faction proposal] Afghan National Army
Posted: 2011-05-14 08:05
by samogon100500
Assets not problem,all already uses in PR,make some skins etc.
Big problem - maps.PR got to much factions - and they just copy one of them.Not sure thats good idea to make new faction for 1-2 maps.
Re: [Faction proposal] Afghan National Army
Posted: 2011-05-14 12:21
by MCI
NautaFIN wrote:What about Canadian forces faction then?
I was really dissapointed in having just US voice comms for the Canadians at first.
At the ANA faction 'proposal'; I thought the Dev team was focussing on making more Opfor factions?
Re: [Faction proposal] Afghan National Army
Posted: 2011-05-14 19:57
by General Dragosh
Snazz wrote:Are you a blond woman in the Finnish military?
I'm a Chinook, I have a tandem rotor configuration and bench over 28,000 pounds.
Now i wonder what my picture makes me . . .