why do most people blindly rush about in PR?

[Rudd]

I agree with this but mumble just makes it worse. People are so engrossed in the proximity talk that squads the other side of the map get nothing at all. .

So, you'd prefer how it was before, every squad working independantly?

getting even 2 squads working as one = win.

And with the SLs in the SL channel, all squads get included....

so ur point is silly.

[Alex6714]

So, you'd prefer how it was before, every squad working independantly?

getting even 2 squads working as one = win.

And with the SLs in the SL channel, all squads get included....

so ur point is silly.

No, thats the complete opposite of what I am trying to say. The whole team needs to work together, not just the two squads next to each other. With mumble, no one communicates between the team, only with the guys next them.


Let me put it another way: Before mumble "damn, how do I tell this squad there is an APC approaching" *types in chat* *whole team finds out* After mumble "cool, I can just proximity tell him" *those two squads find out, but the rest of the team has no idea*

[Rudd]

Let me put it another way: Before mumble "damn, how do I tell this squad there is an APC approaching" *types in chat* *whole team finds out* After mumble "cool, I can just proximity tell him" *those two squads find out, but the rest of the team has no idea*

if its relevant only to the local situation they'll use local talk

if its relevant between squads, they will use SL radio to communicate (in a perfect world)

If its relevant between squads and for some reason som1 isn't on or using SL radio, then teamchat will be used

[Alex6714]

(in a perfect world)

Hmmm...

[Rudd]

Hmmm...

my point is that teamchat is still there for relevant information to be passed to the team

Mumble only enhances teamworking potential, I never find intersquad coms engrossing since its only used for intersquad coms, Its only needed when you need a blue to do something or to do something for a blue.

People only find mumble engrossing when its novelty hasn't worn off.

[Alex6714]

my point is that teamchat is still there for relevant information to be passed to the team

Yeah but from what I have seen no one bothers using it, since they can just speak over mumble, forgetting that only people close will hear.


I am not saying mumble is bad, its awesome, but it doesn´t help teamwork much, only squads close to each other.

Mumble has the same effect on teamwork as does teamspeak, voip and chat. It all comes down to who is using it and how it is used.

Tournament only used teamspeak for example, and there was more *team* teamwork going on there than there seem to be in most full mumble games.

[BroCop]

man, what I say is: not everytime is "leapfrog" required. sometimes its better to move as one squad, and its a tactic some SL use. I have been using only 1 squad (no fireteams) and i had great success, as I say "you 2, give suppresive fire while the rest of us go to flank him!"
works awesome.

Not sure if you are aware of it but that is a fireteam...

oh and Alex...squad leaders on Mumble can talk to each other even if they are on the other side of the map (its called *drumroll* Squad Leader Radio)

[USA-Forever932]

But AFAIK, it's still proximity. So the bad guise can still here you. So keep it down, you have to be vary vary kwaiet while you huntin wabb uhgh Insurgents.

[ExoDuUs]

no its not proximity only, as SL's in their own channel use FORCE CENTER key binding to relay info.

and a good SL types up important info aswell as use MUMBLE, theres no excuse not to even say to a member in your squad to type up to the team ''NME APC in B7kp4'' for example, if you are to busy. Even if your not an SL that should not mean your not able to relay nme locations and info; in PR its just good manners to talk.

Giving members of your squad small tasks keeps them involved and even simple things helps them to feel like their doing something for the team.

[Rudd]

Mumble has the same effect on teamwork as does teamspeak, voip and chat. It all comes down to who is using it and how it is used.

No it doesn't since you can talk to the people near you it changes the squad tactics signficantly, since the only differences between you and a blue will be spawnpoint and probably kit.

Yeah but from what I have seen no one bothers using it, since they can just speak over mumble, forgetting that only people close will hear.

Why do you believe this? If people aren't telling the team where things are, like tanks etc its because they are being dumb. Why would mumble stop them typing in teamchat if they have relevant information and no coms?

[Outlawz7]

my point is that teamchat is still there for relevant information to be passed to the team

Yeah, but like no one pays attention to it even if it's typed out in Caps across the screen.

[RedSparrow]

Why has this thread gone from people rushing blindly about in PR to a mumble flamewar? :/

Oh, and to reply to the OP... I don't know. I do get slightly irked when my squad run off without me. I dun' like running everywhere - I'll get sweaty and then I'll look awful, an' then I'll get shot because the enemy won't like how I look.

[Alex6714]

My point is, mumble doesn´t magically increase teamwork. Its the same as teamspeak, voip and chat just with a cool positional feature. The tourney games I played in had 150% more teamwork without mumble, but thats obvious why..

Likewise I have had pub games which had much more teamwork than an organised mumble night...

I love mumble, i think its great but it certainly doesn´t solve anything thats down to the people who play.

[Rudd]

I love mumble, i think its great but it certainly doesn´t solve anything thats down to the people who play.

exactly...bad players are bad players its nothing to do with mumble