Workaround for Ghillie Suits

[ReadMenace]

they can be able to deploy some sort of:" sniper hideout" like a stump with a hole init or a rock with a hole to look threw? but like i said, it is a crazy suggestion

have them deploy sometthing like his on jungle/ not urban maps but maybe low brick wall in urban maps Life Ramiel

Even better, you could just use the preexisting stumps, snags and low brick walls that are already present on maps.

I don't understand everyone's obsession with ghillie suits -- they're not commonly employed by conventional forces. PR has been and is moving away from 'Special Forces' things, hence the removal of the Spec Ops class and the ghillie suit from the sniper.

-REad

[Arnoldio]

Some bushes render at larger distances (Qinling), and are quite OK to hide in, on urban maps, you can crouch in a building.

[Acemantura]

If you do it, have the soldier model still be inside the bush, but as part of it. Like... a new bush-model that looks like a bush with a well hidden sniper in it. It should still be possible to spot the sniper (even for those who don't know the position of every bush in the game). Don't make it easy to notice, but if you can use this to have the bush draw on a long distance, why not simply have it being a bush with a ghillie'd sniper in it?

And of course make him shootable, but I think that's out of question.

Though generally I'm not too fond of the idea. Seems unrealistic and, tbh, hardcoded.

BINGO!!!

That's exactly what i was going for. Thank you Spec.

Anyway, I know for certain that such a thing isn't hardcoded. On the mod that I was talking about earlier, the kit used a mine and placed it, and your charachter in-game turned into a moving bush, that turned and hopped up and down, and it was awesome.

Instead of a flimsy bush, make a bush, or rather many types of bushes of the same general shape and color, and then make a ghillie suit accordingly. Of course with that hint of man and rifle hidden within.

And hey, if it turns out that it isnt needed or just not wanted by the Devs and the community, so be it. I was just thinking about mods that I have played before and this was an idea for a ghille.

Peace

Ace

[ralfidude]

Are you guys completely ignoring what readmenace has just said?

[MrScruff]

Have you ever gotten a kill with a marksmen kit at a distance of 500m? That takes skill. Try it some time and it is 1337 stuff.

[0blivi0us]

Have you ever gotten a kill with a marksmen kit at a distance of 500m? That takes skill. Try it some time and it is 1337 stuff.

It takes luck, not much skill involved except for point and click

[GrimSoldier]

pornography

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Did i just hear pornography?

[TomDackery]

I think you're being a bit far fetched octo, not sure if that is possible.

A lot of similar ideas have been shot down but this is getting at something.

What if the sniper can deploy the pile of dirt and a few branches and have to shovel it to build up a small pile of greenery like we used to build sandbags? Just thinking out loud here.

Snipers don't have shovels?

[dominator200]

I have an idea y dont we wait for pr 2 (hopefully)lol and have gullie suits in there.

[Cassius]

Snipers either need some radical improvements to make them a viable class in game or they need to be removed completely.

Arguments against having snipers:
I rarely see snipers doing their job of recon, and I can achieve a similar level of recon on most servers by using team chat as an infantry man or an apc driver or whatnot, they're largely obsolete. They are also no where near as useful now the ARs are just as accurate. Sniping at it's current level is way too easy, if it is to be a viable kit it has to actually be difficult or require more skills otherwise people will simply resort to trying to rack up kills.

Most attempts to get ghillie suits up and running have failed, people still insist on skylining themselves and then complain when they get mowed down by the nearest mg. People also seem to think that a ghillie suit will make them invisible to the enemy, from what I've learnt from playing quite a lot of PR is that if you don't move, you're incredibly hard to spot. I often keep my view very still to just wait for the slightest twitch in the distance and then zoom in for the kill, this works very well in a largely undynamic(sp?) world. Basically, people shouldn't get new shiney things when they don't know how to use what they've got.

Currently snipers seem an asset waste to me, you can get by just fine with some designated marksmen and people calling out positions.

Arguments for snipers:
A few rounds I have played as a sniper and it is quite satisfying, I gave intel and got a few kills (ARs, medics, people on MGs)


Overall, the PR maps just aren't big enough to incorporate snipers, since people can quite easily wander into snipers scope. People misuse the class and don't provide intel when they are using it. The kills are too easy to do and when people do drop a few enemies they don't relocate and then come back to the forums wondering why they were spotted, and when they do that they destroy any credibility the people who might have reasonable arguments have to reintroduce it.

Finally, the vegetation in PR doesn't as such support a snipers role, it's normally trees and bushes dotted around making anything else look very out of place, exposing a sniper trying to hide, hiding in a bush works but it works just as well without a ghillie suit.

What is it now ? Its not lethal enough, because the AR has a range that matches that of a sniper, or it is too easy ? The sniper kit should also simulate sniper training to some degree and therefore be really accurate, by the same token you could say the AR15 is too accurate or the saw.

But yes, too many can not use it, or use it on a map where it is a bad pick because the view distance does not allow you to take advantage of its range. But a sniper that gets 20 - 1 kills is helping the team, especially if he focuses on high priority targets and sets up the way to deny the enemy cover when a friendly squad is attacking.

[Acemantura]

WHATTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT?

Did i just hear pornography?

Yeah, they had naked ladies and Homer Simpson on the Claymores. It was just naughty.

And Yes Ralfi I am Ignoring him. I dont find taking a knee and shooting someone 400-600 meters away very realistic. I would like to be able to shoot while prone, in a bush/shrub/hollowed out log/other creative type of cover.