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AgentJadeD
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ATI Radeon HD 5870

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Thought I'd share it.

From Fudzilla - Link to Article

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That is the official name


We finally figured out out the final specification of the chip that we called RV870 and the fact that AMD plans to call it Radeon HD 5870 doesn’t come as a big surprise. The chip works at 800MHz and has 1600 shaders, two times more than RV770 which indicates that the chip is two times faster than the year old RV770.

The chip has as many as 2.1 billion transistors and is more than twice the number the RV770 packs, which has 956 million transistors. The card uses GDDR5 memory clocked at 1.3GHz (5.2GHz in quad mode) and can provide more than 150GB/second bandwidth. The power of this card stays at 180W while in idle the power drops down to 27W, three times less than the 90W on 4870.

By a rough specification-based estimate, the Radeon HD 5870 could end up two times faster than the Radeon HD 4870 but realistically, you should expect the new card to be faster by about 60 percent across the board.

Heres some other links regarding the RV870

Radeon HD 5870 has 1600 shaders

RV870 pricing and name revealed

Radeon HD 5870 X2 comes later

Radeon HD 5850 is a 725MHz chip
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Snares
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Re: ATI Radeon HD 5870

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The transistor jump is awesome. I really like the power savings too.
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DesmoLocke
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Another link: AnandTech: AMD's Radeon HD 5870: Bringing About the Next Generation Of GPUs

Competition is awesome. I now must wait for the Nvidia GTX300 series before making my purchase decision!
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ATI Radeon HD 5870 Reviews:

Anandtech - AMD's Radeon HD 5870: Bringing About the Next Generation Of GPUs

Bit-Tech - ATI Radeon HD 5870 1GB Review

Firing Squad - ATI Radeon HD 5870 Performance Preview

Guru3D - Radeon HD 5870 review

HardOCP - AMD's ATI Radeon HD 5870 Video Card Review

Hardware Canucks - Sapphire Radeon HD 5870 1GB GDDR5 Review

HotHardware - AMD ATI Radeon HD 5870: Unquestionably Number One

Legit Reviews - ATI Radeon HD 5870 DX11 Video Card Review

PC Perspective - ATI Radeon HD 5870 1GB Graphics Card and AMD Eyefinity Review

techPowerUp - AMD Radeon HD 5870 1 GB Review

Toms Hardware - ATI Radeon HD 5870: DirectX 11, Eyefinity, And Serious Speed:

TheTechReport - AMD's Radeon HD 5870 graphics processor

TweakTown - Sapphire Radeon HD 5870 1GB Graphics Card




From another forum :D .





Looks very good, compared to the 4870 it's a beast, just think that there will be an X2 version and possibly a 5890.

Waiting to see nVidia's move.
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AgentJadeD
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I think Nvidia's GT300 will still dominate. But will have to wait til October hopefully to find out.
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Skodz
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Awesome :) I love it.

Do you think the 5800 is to the DX11 what the 8800 was to DX10 ?

(I know 5800 is ATI and 8800 from Nvidia)
DesmoLocke
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Skodz wrote:Awesome :) I love it.

Do you think the 5800 is to the DX11 what the 8800 was to DX10 ?

(I know 5800 is ATI and 8800 from Nvidia)
Well, we have to wait for Nvidia's answer to decide just like enthusiasts waited for the HD2000 series from ATI back when the G80 debuted.

From early reviews, I would say no though. It sounds like another die shrink with double the components on the card compared to the 4870. The early consensus is that it is an evolution from the 4870 and not the hoped for revolution.

Still a beast of a card though. The best thing they've done with this card is the power draw when idle. It is minuscule compared to the size of the card and how hungry it becomes under load.
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wow looks really good but the prices will be crazy. Also do we really need that kind of technology to play games? Me thinks not. I've got a 4870x2 and that's crazy and i didnt really need all that power to play any games well. I think these new generation of cards are just turning into rip offs and gimmicks so that ppl can say they have the latest card and they wont really make any difference to the average gamer. Even the I7 is a waste of money really as the quad core works just fine.
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Are there going to be serious price drops on 48xx now?
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05grottim wrote:wow looks really good but the prices will be crazy. Also do we really need that kind of technology to play games? Me thinks not. I've got a 4870x2 and that's crazy and i didnt really need all that power to play any games well. I think these new generation of cards are just turning into rip offs and gimmicks so that ppl can say they have the latest card and they wont really make any difference to the average gamer. Even the I7 is a waste of money really as the quad core works just fine.
Well, thats a good question.

Actually, we do need more power to play some games such as crysis with very high video setting and high performance (lets say refresh rate FPS) but such cards (5800, 4870x2, gtx 295) sure are way too powerful for most games out there. Sure you'll get 100+ FPS (without vsync on) but the game will not use all the potential of these video cards, especially 5800 series with DX11 and Shader 5.0

Lets say it depend on what you do with your PC... If your main game actually is PR, it may not be worth it to use a dual-gpu video card or a 5800. Some games dont even make use of dual gpu cards yet.

In other words, some games/application require huge power, some doesnt.

Btw, your hd4870x2 is probably equivalent to a 5800 in terms of performance on actual games due to your dual gpu. The 5850 and 5870 are single gpu cards but still compete with actual most powerful cards on the market (gtx295 and hd4870x2).

About the price. Sure, some 400 bucks is expansive for a video card but I remember some cards about 600 bucks when released. And as for everything, the price will drop eventually.

We can be sure there will be games coming out in the upcoming months that will make use of all that power :)
DesmoLocke wrote:Well, we have to wait for Nvidia's answer to decide just like enthusiasts waited for the HD2000 series from ATI back when the G80 debuted.

From early reviews, I would say no though. It sounds like another die shrink with double the components on the card compared to the 4870. The early consensus is that it is an evolution from the 4870 and not the hoped for revolution.

Still a beast of a card though. The best thing they've done with this card is the power draw when idle. It is minuscule compared to the size of the card and how hungry it becomes under load.
Why would you think such a thing ?

The 5800 series is a lot greater than the 4800. Not a small upgrade.

Dx11 ready.
RV870 chip vs RV770 for 4800.
40nm technology vs 55 nm for 4800.
2.15 BILLION transistors vs 956 millions for hd4870.
Shader 5.0
etc.
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From early reviews, I would say no though. It sounds like another die shrink with double the components on the card compared to the 4870. The early consensus is that it is an evolution from the 4870 and not the hoped for revolution.
Why would you think such a thing ?

The 5800 series is a lot greater than the 4800. Not a small upgrade.

Dx11 ready.
RV870 chip vs RV770 for 4800.
40nm technology vs 55 nm for 4800. <-- Die Shrink
2.15 BILLION transistors vs 956 millions for hd4870. <-- Double the transitors
Shader 5.0
etc.
Dx11 and Shader 5.0 are changes, but they're not revolutionary - They're changes that need to happen for Ati to stay in the game. And the change in chip is of little relevance. His point was there's no massive change in architecture, or in the hardware... They've just doubled everything and shrunk it as far as current tech will allow. Although I will agree it is one heck of a card, it's not really innovative.
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Erm..not really innovative? Eyefinity isn't innovative? The Cypress chip can control up to 6 monitors at a time. Before this, you could only go up to two, or you had to buy some other (expensive) card to make it possible.
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As you said, doubling the transistors isn't innovative, however the 5870 uses ~50 W less then the GTX 285 when stressed, and ~70 W less when idling. source
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MonkeySoldier wrote:Erm..not really innovative? Eyefinity isn't innovative? The Cypress chip can control up to 6 monitors at a time. Before this, you could only go up to two, or you had to buy some other (expensive) card to make it possible.
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As you said, doubling the transistors isn't innovative, however the 5870 uses ~50 W less then the GTX 285 when stressed, and ~70 W less when idling. source
Ok Eyefinity is an innovation. But I'm not sure the market is completely there. Certainly the people who buy the card are the kinds of people who will have money for extra monitors. But there are still some glitches with the support which need to be ironed out with it and I'm not sure people will pay the extra hundreds of moneys needed to get something which is an improvement, but not a fantastic improvement. I would liken it to the nvidia 3d glasses. Some games do support it and apparently the effect is quite convincing... But it's a big chunk of money for the hardware and you need to be pretty committed to getting it to be willing to part with the cash. However that's rather off topic as it certainly is an innovation on Ati's part so my argument isn't completely valid.

The power consumption is a step in the right direction, and the power savings are very reasonable - Although this is probably down to the shrinking of the die size.

The card is very nice, and I've got to say I like the design of the case. It's simple and modern. But it still feels like they've doubled the hardware numbers and done a bit of nip-tuck (although better than nvidia who seem to rebrand cards more than produce new ones). I'm not sure what else could be done by the company but it's not a groundbreaking release in my opinion.
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